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Re: All I want for Christmas is:

by TedPride (Priest)
on Dec 10, 2005 at 19:38 UTC ( #515745=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to All I want for Christmas is:

The problem is that the UN doesn't let anyone use actual military force against the bad guys (because the UN includes so many countries supporting the bad guys). All this leaves is the few countries powerful enough to not care what the UN thinks, which basically boils down to the US - and the US has been burned badly in the past due to internal imcompetence / strife of its own, and is currently limiting itself to military actions that promote the US agenda. The problem isn't so much the military (or even the government), but rather the left-leaning media that does everything it can to bad-mouth any military action of any sort, and forces so many layers of oversight that the military is hamstrung.

Btw, you should note the fact that it's Sudanese Christians who are primarily being killed off. Christians don't become terrorists when the going gets tough, and in point of fact, the majority of terrorists are middle class and educated and fairly well off, so I don't see how the whole underprivileged = terrorist argument works anyhow. If we help the Sudanese, it will be because it's the right thing to do, not because it in any way prevents terrorism.


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Re^2: All I want for Christmas is:
by ciderpunx (Vicar) on Dec 11, 2005 at 12:16 UTC
    s/bad guys/anyone who gets in the way of US corporate or military interests/g
    or maybe
    s/bad guys/former arms customers/g

    The UN is there for a good reason, and taking unilateral action (competantly or not) is a bad thing (tm). If people are going to die for democracy it seems to be only fair to try and impose their deaths through a democratic institution which can claim some kind of international democratic legitamacy.

    Of course it'd be better if people weren't killed in the first place. Perhaps the security council countries ought to stop being the biggest arms exporters in the world bar none. It's quite difficult to be an evil despot without having any weapons in the first place. And without armed despots the need for UN military action is rather drastically reduced.

    I think it's incredibly naive to say that christians don't become terrorists. What about the Klan? What about Pius XII?

    OK, rant over. Sorry for getting sucked in to this. I will attempt to stick to perl in the future!

    Happy midwinter feast appropriated from paganism by the early church.
Re^2: All I want for Christmas is:
by Anonymous Monk on Dec 13, 2005 at 01:48 UTC
    The problem is that the UN doesn't let anyone use actual military force against the bad guys (because the UN includes so many countries supporting the bad guys).

    The UN has tenatively authorized 20,000 intervention troops; the debate is who will go, and who won't. Ask your government to lend it's support.

    800,000 people died in Rawanda because the rest of the world sat by and did nothing while they all waited for someone else to do something first.

    Christians don't become terrorists when the going gets tough, and in point of fact, the majority of terrorists are middle class and educated and fairly well off, so I don't see how the whole underprivileged = terrorist argument works anyhow.

    All people get violent when their rights are trampled on, no matter what their former religious or economic status.

    Germany was a wealthy Christian country prior to WWI, but the conditions of the surrenderleft the entire country blamed for the worst war in history (and the populace was thereby made angry and bitter at the rest of the world), and ended up in a terrible economic depression; and we all know how WII turned out.

    Any survivors of the genocide are going to be angry at the rest of the world for abandoning them, and all their former wealth will have been stripped from them. They'll be poor, angry at the world, and some of them will want to lash out at the people who turned their back on their cries for help.

    And by Goodwin's law, I guess I lose, so I'll shut up now. ;-)

Re^2: All I want for Christmas is:
by Anonymous Monk on Dec 13, 2005 at 02:09 UTC

    Face the facts, through the entire human history, crimes committed by the leaders of this religion most likely surpass the sum of all other crimes and fears.

Re^2: All I want for Christmas is:
by holli (Monsignor) on Dec 13, 2005 at 15:01 UTC
    Christians don't become terrorists when the going gets tough
    Oh yes, and the IRA is a bunch of preschool kids.


    holli, /regexed monk/

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