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Re^2: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?

by Anonymous Monk
on Mar 03, 2006 at 08:48 UTC ( #534169=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?
in thread O'reilly some sort of perl monopoly?

It is good that you admit you are an O'Reilly employee, but that still makes your words susspect.

But you have inadvertently proved me correct without knowing. You admit that O'Reilly has added its own copyrighted material to the perl core. As everyone knows, the GPL is viral, so this means that O'Reilly has control of perl. This makes me sad, because I love perl, but I will now not use it any longer and demand that my local library remove all scripts written in perl from its web page, because it is now being controlled by a corporation.

Please, people, consider this, do you want to go on working for a corporation without getting paid? We should all move to PHP, it is a better language anyway and it is true Open Source. Everyone who loves freedom must agree with me.


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Re^3: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?
by bart (Canon) on Mar 03, 2006 at 09:19 UTC
    What makes you think that, license wise, PHP is any better than Perl? Besides, PHP is property of Zend.
    I will [...] demand that my local library remove all scripts written in perl from its web page, because it is now being controlled by a corporation.
    While you're at it, make them remove all of MS-Windows as well.
Re^3: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?
by demerphq (Chancellor) on Mar 03, 2006 at 09:22 UTC

    You are spreading FUD!!!!!

    As soon as O'Reilly GPL'ed that stuff it doesn't mean that O'Reilly has control of Perl, it means that the Perl community has control of material that O'Reilly paid to write. And O'Reilly as a corportation CANT add anything to the perl core. That is done by Larry Wall and the Pumpkings. And you know what, if you dont like it, go ahead fork perl. Theres nothing anybody can do to stop you. The only thing is you won't be able to call it 'perl'.

    You are so totally fully of shit that it is not funny. And if you do what you say you are going to do it will be the loss of your local library, and noone else. You claim to be an open source advocate but you are repeating lies and misinformation about how open source works. Its just ridiculous.

    And your last sentence just shows your true colors. You dont care about perl at all. You are some kind of PHP troll trying to use misleading arguments and FUD and outright lies to achieve some kind of misguided anti-perl crusade. Well thats fine but take it up elsewhere.

    ---
    $world=~s/war/peace/g

Re^3: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?
by Steve_p (Priest) on Mar 03, 2006 at 10:43 UTC

    Funny, I'm a Perl commiter and when I add something to Perl, I currently assign the copywrite over to Larry Wall, not O'Reilly. Better yet, here's the copyright and licence on perlglossary.pod.

    Based on the Glossary of Programming Perl, Third Edition, by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen & Jon Orwant. Copyright (c) 2000, 1996, 1991 O'Reilly Media, Inc. This document may be distributed under the same terms as Perl itself.

    Control of the glossary passed over to the Perl community, not vice versa. Patches welcome!

    So either you need a tinfoil hat, or this thread is a good example of troll bait. Your arguments about O'Reilly controlling Perl are so idiotic that I won't try to continue to argue it.

    I will argue about PHP, though. PHP is under the control of a corporation. Zend employs many of the core developers of PHP. It is also suspected that Zend is in talks to be acquired by Oracle. So, please enjoy your freedom. Bye bye!

Re^3: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?
by fireartist (Chaplain) on Mar 03, 2006 at 12:58 UTC

    'viral' is a term usually used by opensource detrators because of it's negative connotations.

    If O'Reilly has given it's own copyrighted material to perl, under the same terms as perl, then that means they have given away certain rights to that material, it doesn't mean that they have gained any rights to perl at all.

    Perl is distributed under both the GPL and the perl Artistic license. Anybody using perl can choose which license they wish to use, so it doesn't even need to be to GPL. And if they don't actually distribute perl, they don't even need to state which license they are using perl under.

    The only 'control' of perl that O'Reilly has is that if the perl license changes in future, the file contributed by O'Reilly would have to be removed if they didn't agree to the new license. That's it.

Re^3: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?
by Aristotle (Chancellor) on Mar 03, 2006 at 18:03 UTC

    You admit that O'Reilly has added its own copyrighted material to the perl core. As everyone knows, the GPL is viral, so this means that O'Reilly has control of perl.

    Please go back to AboveTopSecret or something.

    Makeshifts last the longest.

Re^3: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?
by stonecolddevin (Vicar) on Mar 04, 2006 at 03:01 UTC

    you spelled "suspect" wrong.

    and your phrase "But you have inadvertently proved me correct without knowing" is redundant contains redundancy. thanks McDarren :-)

    meh.
Re^3: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?
by apotheon (Deacon) on Mar 10, 2006 at 07:54 UTC

    Well, this proves once and for all that you're unrepentantly evil, unremittingly stupid, or unimaginably ignorant. Regardless of which, there's no point talking to you.

    print substr("Just another Perl hacker", 0, -2);
    - apotheon
    CopyWrite Chad Perrin

Re^3: O'Reilly some sort of perl monopoly?
by SamCG (Hermit) on Mar 22, 2006 at 00:37 UTC
    I think this whole thing is hilarious. C'mon, the OP/AM can't be serious, it's just too laughable.

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