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Re^2: Perl is dying

by Anonymous Monk
on Jul 15, 2006 at 05:19 UTC ( #561401=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


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Wrong. The universe did not begin in 1994.

Right. And how many people used Perl before 1994?

Nice synecdoche, but it's a logical fallacy.

How? For as long as the two have coexisted, the Perl community has been snobbish towards the web, with a "you need us more than we need you" attitude.

Strawman. Citation please.

Citation? To what, a Zogby poll? Ask Perl programmers why they learned Perl. Most of them will tell you, Because of CGI.

What is your definition of a "real programmer"? It's difficult to argue against this without a definition.

Someone who knows how to write good, solid, maintainable software, and does so either as an occupation or during their free time.

I've seen people lambasted for believing that U.S. Astronauts actually landed on the moon too.

Yes, people often get attacked for telling the truth.

Have you tried to add a feature to Perl 5? I have. Perhaps you should listen to the people who've patched Perl 5 when they say "Ouch. That hurt."

Why, Chromatic, just refactor it over and over again! Isn't that what you XP zealots always tell us? Unless you think it would have taken equally long (6+ years) to reshape the Perl 5 codebase into Perl 6, then I think you'd have to admit that the rewrite was a big mistake.

Contributors welcome. If you haven't or don't contribute, go fall off of a cliff, learn Ruby, become a circus clown, lock yourself in a little box for ten years eating food through a straw, or pack it all in to paint Elvis on velvet. I don't care. Your opinion doesn't matter.

See, that's the thing. I don't expect you or the rest of Perl's upper-crust to abort their doomed course just because I, a lowly Perl hacker, says to.

My intent here was to say the things I felt needed to be said about Perl's future. As a Perl programmer of many years, one with work up on CPAN, one who's contributed to other people's work on CPAN, one who's helped people here and elswhere, I feel I'm entitled to be critical of Perl and its community (of which I'm a member).

Only the depth of your whiny martyr complex surpasses your unbound self-described courage.

I posted something controversial here once, and guess what happened? Some asshole downvoted everything I posted in the thread, then went and downvoted--over the course of several days--all of my past writeups, some of which fell below the depth most people view at. These were helpful posts (answers to SoPW questions, mostly), but that didn't matter to this person. That's why I'm posting this anonymously. Try ruffling some feathers here and see for yourself how petty some Perl Monks can be.


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Re^3: Perl is dying
by Anonymous Monk on Jul 15, 2006 at 14:29 UTC
    all of my past writeups, some of which fell below the depth most people view at.

    You must be confusing PerlMonks with some other site (slashdot or use.perl?) because PerlMonks has no "don't show me nodes with a reputation below X" feature like some sites do. So the only "damage" was to your XP or to the reputation shown on the node to those who voted on it, neither of which is likely to change how helpful a node is.

      You must not have been around at Perlmonks for very long. Threads are cut off at a certain depth; I think three is the default. That is, by default, a Re^3 will show up in full, but Re^4 and deeper need to be clicked to read them. It doesn’t have anything to do with noderep.

      Makeshifts last the longest.

        I said "reputation". The complainer said simply "depth" but was talking about how downvotes had damaged their nodes. Perhaps I haven't been around PerlMonks long enough to remember when downvoting caused a thread's reply depth to drop below the default threshold?

        Even if the complainer meant " reply depth", then that just becomes a bizarre aside that belies their claim that these nodes were so "useful" and doesn't detract from my point that the one user downvoting their old nodes did no damage to the usefulness of their nodes (mostly the only damage was to the complainer's XP).

Re^3: Perl is dying
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Jul 15, 2006 at 18:32 UTC
    My intent here was to say the things I felt needed to be said about Perl's future.

    Through overgeneralizations, argument by authority, argument by repeated assertion, and ad hominem attacks? That does no one any good.

Re^3: Perl is dying
by MidLifeXis (Prior) on Jul 17, 2006 at 19:10 UTC

    Wrong. The universe did not begin in 1994. Right. And how many people used Perl before 1994?

    I know I did. My earliest published code is a delayed qmail notifier (no longer supported) from 1997, and I know I was using perl long before that time. In fact, IIRC, I wrote some game theory processing for a checkers game (studying AB pruning) in 1993 or 1994. I went through the Perl4 / Perl5 conversion.

    --MidLifeXis

Re^3: Perl is dying
by Anonymous Monk on Jul 18, 2006 at 20:58 UTC
    Quoth chromatic: Only the depth of your whiny martyr complex surpasses your unbound self-described courage.

    That's why I'm posting this anonymously. Try ruffling some feathers here and see for yourself how petty some Perl Monks can be.

    Ignore chromatic. He's prone to this kind of name calling, and then moments later he'll be lambasting you for "ad hominem" attack.

    Don't worry about him. Those of us who are experienced with Perl can see it's flaws; and those of us who remember Topaz or the perl compiler projects will can see that Perl 6 will be no more sucessful than those embarassing chunks of perpetual vapourware...

      Yeah, exactly, Pugs is a complete failure.

      Makeshifts last the longest.

        That's what they said whenever people pointed out that Topaz or perlcc wasn't done: it was a work in progress, lots of people were working hard on it, it was "nearly done" for five years, etc.

        Years later, perlcc barely compiles a hello, world, and Topaz is abandoned. Perl 6 will die a slow death, too... that's my prediction, based on past experiences with the Perl community's overhyped promises....

        Prove me wrong if you like... if you can...

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