Sigh. WebGui may be may be an absolutely wonderful system. For myself, I appreciate the tip and I will check into it further than I have, but my point was that most people who are newer to perl won't do that. There are many wonderful systems and modules out there providing functions that may be relevant to a first project. There are even some less wonderful systems that look good at the start. It's too much to deal with for someone who is learning his/her way around. Later, as experience grows, it can be a valuable education to look at what others have done and how they've done it, and it can be a satisfying exploration. We need to help people through the early stage so they can get to that later one.