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(redmist) Re: Re: Random numbers generator

by redmist (Deacon)
on Feb 07, 2001 at 23:06 UTC ( #57020=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Random numbers generator
in thread Random numbers generator

davorg is right. Computers (as they now exist) can never produce a truly random number. This is because, as Bruce Schneier puts it, "Computers are deterministic beasts: stuff goes in on one end, completely predictable operations occur inside, and different stuff comes out the other end." This enables back-computation.

Computers need humans to be truly random. They do this by having humans entropize their entropy pool with mouse movements, thus enabling the creation of Truly Random numbers.

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[ambrus]: Corion: as for that, I talked with schmorp, and looked a bit more at Prima
[ambrus]: Corion: from the docs, it definitely looks like it would be possible to write an AnyEvent driver for it using Prima::File and Prima::Timer.
[ambrus]: (I haven't found an idle event.)
[ambrus]: However, I also looked at the internals, and found two interesting things:
[marto]: stupid xpath question, I have a xpath copied from the browser, is the * wildcard supposed to work for IDs? e.g. '//*[@id="*"]/ div/div/header/p/a '?
[ambrus]: The main loop for unixish systems is in https://metacpan. org/source/ KARASIK/Prima-1. 49/unix/apc_app.c. It is a hand-rolled select loop, but also always spins at least once every 0.2 seconds for some reason.
[ambrus]: marto: no, not that way. if you just want to test for an existing id attribute, then write *[@id] , or you can match a regexp to the value of that attribute like *[@id=~/something/ ]
[marto]: ambrus, thanks I ended up going with '//*[starts- with(@id, "thread_")]...

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