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Re: How should Perlmonks deal with Plagiarism?by mkirank (Chaplain)
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This has been very Entertaining for me :-)
I would'nt have commented here but some monks brought in Asian and Hinduism in between so here are my comments
Unlike most of you , I have met jesuashok in person,I Worked with him for around 3 months before he moved to a different company.
My opinion about him as I remember (this was 2 years ago).
At that time he was a bit Immature (still has some learning to do on this :-) ) but he would spend around 12-14 hours in the office to take care of the project
at that time he was new to perl
He was the youngest member of the team and was *always* ridiculed ..
Now answering some questions on this thread before I comment on the Issue
Brag before others (see "Monks i have met" on jesuashok homenode) about their XP gained at perlmonks
I cannot talk for the others on that list but though I consider my perl skills as average , I have been to YAPC::2005 and I have met a lot of talented people there and I can differentiate between their perl skills based on their work and someone who gains XP here
If you have not been to a YAPC you should,Its an amazing experience ...
I'm always mindful of cultural differences in issues like this. (That's not quite true ... I should say that I try to be mindful of cultural differences ... and that I don't always succeed.)
You succeded on this node but IMHO you failed when u said,
I can't give an answer to that question. There are probably Indian perlmonks who can answer that question ... but then there's the issue of whether they would be prepared to truthfully answer that question.
I have read about the racial tension in Australia and I think it is written from that angle in mind, I may be wrong but that is what it feels to me when you say "prepared to truthfully answer"
I am not aware of what constitutes plagiarism but I dont think I will do what jesuashok did to gain XP and it is not cool
I can tell you that I worked in Indonesia (Bali, to be precise - which is a Hindu community, by majority) for a few months, and that lying (in order to "save face") was perfectly acceptable, frequently practiced, and never admitted
what is the total population of the Hindu community there and how many people did you meet , of that how many told you this was acceptable ? .. you can use words cleverly (like majority ,acceptable ..)
Why did u have to bring in Asian/Hindu into this ?
Is'nt it the same world over , I read about one australian cricketer who lied and then was caught (not once)
and there are many leaders who have lied (still are) and have been caught all around the world ...the point is people lie everywhere it dosen't depend on where they are from and what religion they are .. Most of us have heard about Karma (XP) .. Karma is a concept in hinduism .
Now on the Issue in perlmonks
The person did this to gain XP as a community we can reduce his XP to 0 ...That is his real photo and he has been mocked up by enough people , These should be enough and the account can be dismissed if this continues in the future.
I do not know the Law's in other countries but in India if you are caught cheating in school you are failed in that particular test (you will be able to take the test again next time)...As it says in the Perlmonks FAQ this is
A community which allows everyone to grow and learn from one another.
Lets not make it a racial or religion Issue and Instead focus on learning .