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Solaris and Icons

by Kevin_Raymer
on Feb 13, 2007 at 20:14 UTC ( #599766=perlquestion: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??
Kevin_Raymer has asked for the wisdom of the Perl Monks concerning the following question:

Hi all!

I have 22 years experience in IT and have recently been tasked with doing a lot of coding! I am a serious DOS hacker so having to deal with Perl is a bit trivial for me but I am having a serious problem right out of the box.

I have a Sun machine on my desk now and I am trying to install a new version of perl - When I click on download (there is some weird browser I am not used to) I download the perl file thing but no installshield starts up or anything? How am I supposed to install this???

If anybody can figure this out out there that would be great! Maybe something is wrong with my system?



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Re: Solaris and Icons
by gregor42 (Parson) on Feb 13, 2007 at 22:21 UTC


    You need to apply the 22 years worth of problem-solving skills that you've acquired to learning new things.

    Your problem isn't "right out of the box" it's more like "wrong kind of box". You don't have a Windows based computer anymore. The paradigm has changed completely.

    It is possible that you already have perl installed - it comes loaded on many versions of Solaris.

    Try opening a shell window & typing:

    perl -v

    If you get any kind of response other than an error - it's already there.

    If not, then you have to find out if you are also the System Administrator for your system as well as the user. If not, then you should ask the administrator to install it for you and to point you at some documentation to get you up to speed.

    It doesn't seem right that someone should give you an entirely new platform that you're unprepared for and to make you the administrator also. It's a bit like dropping a fresh water fish in the ocean - nothing's going to work right and it's very dangerous.

    - Gregor42

    Wait! This isn't a Parachute, this is a Backpack!
Re: Solaris and Icons
by graff (Chancellor) on Feb 14, 2007 at 04:24 UTC
    I have 22 years experience in IT

    Are you talking about marketing, or management? ;)

    and have recently been tasked with doing a lot of coding!

    As opposed to... What would you normally be doing?

    I am a serious DOS hacker so having to deal with Perl is a bit trivial for me

    Not sure what you mean by "serious" and "trivial" there...

    but I am having a serious problem right out of the box.

    Well, maybe we shouldn't be surprised... Perl doesn't come in a box! If you're having trouble with something that comes out of a box, maybe you misread the label and got confused? Whatever you have that came out of that box, it's not Perl. (Or was it you that just came out of the box?)

    But seriously folks, if you have a Sun workstation running Solaris, then you don't have to install Perl -- it's already there. If you've done some "DOS hacking" and worked with batch files, then you have a handle on the basics of the command line interface, which is the bread-and-butter of using any unix system like solaris. Some of the unix commands even have the same names as the DOS ones that do the same thing! (mkdir, cd)

    But a lot of basic command things have different names ("ls" instead of "dir", "rm" instead of "del", "mv" instead of "ren", and so on) -- could be some tough going for you there, in which case you have my sympathy.

    And then there's lots of really cool unix commands, things like "grep" and "cut" and "paste" and (shudder) "awk", that just don't exist at all in DOS (unless you installed some sort of "unix-tools-for-dos" package -- and that shouldn't come in a box either,* so if you try to get it out of a box, or if you're climbing out of a box to use it, it might not work for you).

    Anyway, if you can find a command-line shell on your solaris machine (it should be showing something that ends with "$" or ">" as a command-line prompt), you can try this command:

    which perl
    and that should tell you the actual disk path to the perl interpreter that is already available on that machine. It'll probably be "/usr/local/bin/perl", or maybe just "/usr/bin/perl". (Whoa! don't let those forward slashes scare you... they are not option flags! That's just the "forward-thinking" way that unix has for separating directory levels, instead of the "backward" DOS way.)

    Well, it's possible that instead of saying "/usr/bin/perl" or whatever, the "which perl" command might say "perl: command not found" or maybe even "no perl found in ..." -- this just means that there's nothing called "perl" in your current PATH (Aha! Another major thing that unix and DOS have in common... surely you know what PATH is for, having already hacked batch files and all.)

    So if perl is not in your PATH, well, I could go on at length, but this all seems like a joke, and I've had my share of fun for one evening. Thanks, Kevin, good luck with your new tasks, and welcome to the Monastery!

    (* footnote: Well, okay, I do remember something called the "MKS Toolkit" -- wow, that takes me back a couple decades -- which was the first "unix-for-dos" thing I ever heard of, and that did come in a box; this was before the Internet thing caught on, you see, when just about everything came in a box, or in padded or stiff envelopes, you know, with those 5-inch floppy disks, or the 3-inch ones that weren't really floppy at all... they didn't even have compact disks back then -- not for computers, at least. MKS appears to still be available, BTW, but I don't know if it still comes in a box... you might want to check it out, in case someone takes that solaris thing away and makes you go back to DOS.)

Re: Solaris and Icons
by shmem (Canon) on Feb 13, 2007 at 20:23 UTC
    At the Solaris DOS prompt, type
    zcat latest.tar.gz | tar xf - cd perl-* ./Configure make make test make install

    In the process, you will be asked a few question, but I guess you'll figure out. Come back to ask any time, preferably in the chatterbox.


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      Vanilla Solaris does not come with a compiler. The Software Companion CD/DVD does have gcc on it but that is not guarenteed to be installed and even if it is the PATH likely needs to be updated. For example:
      export PATH="/usr/sfw/bin:/opt/sfw/bin/:$PATH" export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/sfw/lib:/opt/sfw/lib/:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
      that's another problem I having where is DOS on this thing?? they sure copied windows with this "java desktop" thing another problem is I can't find the file I downloaded
        You shouldn't have to use perl if you don't want to. Fortunately, if your installation of solaris did not come pre-installed with DOS you can download it from here DOSEMU or here Wine.
Re: Solaris and Icons
by swampyankee (Parson) on Feb 14, 2007 at 04:33 UTC
    I have 22 years experience in IT and have recently been tasked with doing a lot of coding!

    I'm surprised (actually, stunned) that somebody with 22 years of IT experience has not dealt with multiple operating systems (I've dealt with VMS, DOS, VM, MVS/XA, NOS/VE, Windows in its various incarnations, Unix in about a half-dozen variants, and one or two others too obscure to remember). Solaris is a one of the Unix derivatives, so it won't have DOS, although somebody who wanted to could probable whip up a BAT file interpreter in a few hours (I'm not that somebody).

    I suggest you get a book like Learning the Unix Operating System, Fifth Edition.


    Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world.

    —Mary Shafer, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Re: Solaris and Icons
by ciderpunx (Vicar) on Feb 14, 2007 at 11:14 UTC
Re: Solaris and Icons
by Marza (Vicar) on Feb 14, 2007 at 02:11 UTC

    You might also take a review of the tutorial section we have here. It will make your experience here a great deal better if you read the section on "Understanding and using PerlMonks"

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