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Re: Are monks hibernating?

by tphyahoo (Vicar)
on Feb 14, 2007 at 14:28 UTC ( #599956=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Are monks hibernating?

I don't know if monks are hybernating, but castaway tells me perlmonks is discouraging google from indexing the site.

I guess PM has its reasons, but getting indexing back up would certainly be an easy way to get more traffic, and not just noobie traffic I would speculate.

Concrete example:

http://www.google.de/search?hl=en&q=%22running+a+ppm+batch%22&btnG=Google+Search

doesn't pull up

http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=483851

That killed about half an hour for me. Okay, maybe I forgot my coffee this morning, but still. Indexing *matters*.

Anything we could do about this?

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Re^2: Are monks hibernating?
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Feb 14, 2007 at 16:59 UTC

    I don't think that PM has ever been indexable? Though there used to be that static mirror that went away mid-way through last year that was indexable.

    Can't but help wonder if one of the alternative urls couldn't be made to simply present the nodes as 'static' entities. With none of the expensive bits. No user auth or checks; no user css or preferences; No edit facilities or print/with replies/xml/top index/etc.; no nodelets or CB; no hierarchal presentations. Each node just displays that nodes contents amd nothing but. And have the robots file redirect them to that.

    Would that reduce the cost of presenting a node sifficiently that PM could allow indexing without huge costs?

    I know that if such a simplified view of PM existed, I'd probably use it in preference to the current view for most things.


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Re^2: Are monks hibernating?
by blahblahblah (Priest) on Feb 14, 2007 at 17:17 UTC
    I've also noticed things slowing down lately.

    I think you're very right about the google problem. I wonder if there's any correlation between the end of the perlmonks.thepen.com site and a dwindling number of new users?

    I'd love to have some form of google search working again. I used to rely on it a lot, and I never seem to be able to find things as easily now with Super Search.

      I found Perlmonks through google hits at ThePen. I got the answer to a few questions this way and when I finally came up short I tried my first post to PM. I was stunned by the speed, accuracy and knowledge of the responses . I signed up for an account shortly thereafter. I think the loss of ThePen must have a deleterious effect on new recruits.

      Cheers,
      R.

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Re^2: Are monks hibernating?
by davebaker (Monk) on Feb 17, 2007 at 15:21 UTC
    Yes, I discovered just yesterday that Google is returning absolutely no search results for the query "site:perlmonks.org" ... except the perlmonks.org home page! I had been combining "site:perlmonks.org" with some search terms, to see if Google could give me results quicker than the perlmonks.org Super Search.

    Just saw the comment about prlmnks.org ... I'll certainly give that a go.

    perlmonks.org is the leading Perl message board, where years of valuable content have been contributed by Perl's brightest lights... it seems a darned shame that the search engines aren't picking up its content. Not good for the language or its users. Using search engines to find content on Perlmonks.org ought to "Just Work."

      Yes, I discovered just yesterday that Google is returning absolutely no search results for the query "site:perlmonks.org" ... except the perlmonks.org home page!

      I'm a little surprised it even returns the home page. The only search engines that'll index any part of this site are those nefarious ones that only index the pages you say not to.

      http://perlmonks.org/robots.txt

      -Paul

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[stevieb]: LOL you can easily replace "Helsinki" with "Alberta"
[perldigious]: I used to live at the top of a very steep hill stevieb, I can relate to the video. Literally used to have to build up momentum and try to force my vehicle to make it up the hill to park in my driveway properly... didn't always make it.
[choroba]: Why don't they use tire chains?
[perldigious]: First snow, probably not prepared right away choroba.
[stevieb]: it's Quebec... they do weird stuff there :) In the mountains, it is *mandatory* for trucks to use tire chains. Many passenger vehicles do as well (but it's not mandatory for them)
[perldigious]: That stuff can hit fast... like what we just got where I'm at. Saw a few people who had slid OUT of the roundabout I have to drive through to get to work, not used to the ice yet, take awhile to get the hang of it again and make vehicle adjustments.
[stevieb]: man, when the roads are glare ice, I don't even bother going to work or out... unless I absolutely have to, or was already out in the first place
[choroba]: Tire chains are mandatory here in mountains, and the only unprepared each year are gritters
[stevieb]: I have a 3 day winter survival kit in my vehicle in the event I get snowed in in the mountains (which has happened before due to avalanches closing the roads (and once in the summer due to a massive forest fire that trapped us
[perldigious]: a handful of people in my work area did not make it, but I live pretty close and it's flat the whole way, so I didn't have any trouble. The roundabout is the worst thing I have to negotiate.

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