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Re: Level Proposal

by Petruchio (Vicar)
on Feb 23, 2001 at 08:55 UTC ( #60431=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Level Proposal

Just my $0.02, to take or leave.

While some of our levels, like Monk and Initiate, do not of necessity suggest specific cultural roots, others, like Friar and Bishop, are, as far as I know, unique to the older Christian traditions (Catholicism in particular). For my part, I find it rather difficult to fathom someone finding this offensive. The metaphors I've seen employed here have virtually nothing to do with religion, but rather with reflection, study, and social hierarchy.

In fact, our present level titles have less religious significance that those footpad suggests. After all, titles such as Friar or Bishop have no metaphysical implications... I don't believe I've met anyone here who didn't believe that Friars or Bishops exist (Saints are a different matter). Totems, on the other hand, are emblems of spirits, not titles for people. If we're actually to worry about such things... and I suggest we don't... it would be a safer thing to have Imams, Shamans, Samani, Muezzins, Rabbis, Brahmins, Ayatollahs, Medicine Men, Muftis, Lamas (Dalai, Grand, Panchen and Plain Vanilla), et cetera.

In any case, if someone does find the current state of affairs or proposals for future changes offensive, they ought to post their views. The Chatterbox is no place for serious debate on site policy. I have never heard such a sentiment uttered even in the Chatterbox, however, so from my perspective none of this seems to be a real problem.

Aesthetically, I think it much more pleasing to keep to the established motif, rather than vary. Saint, to me, sounds like a excellent final level still, unless we'd like to append "Pope" at, say, 1,000,000 XP. Anyway, if we're going to bother adding new levels, I'd sooner raise the number of XPs required for Saint, and add lower levels. Of the many titles which would not break with the present theme my favorites are:

  • Arch-Bishop
  • Cardinal (tilly might want Ordinal, too)
  • Curate
  • Predicant
  • Hermit (because some of us *are* that hard up for lives)
  • Vicar
  • Prior
  • Beadle (alakaboo loves The Beadles)
  • Deacon

Of course, this would mean a lot of de-cannonized Saints, and perhaps some other shuffling besides. However there seems to be little difference between suddenly finding you're no longer a Saint, and suddenly finding you haven't achieved the highest possible level. Perhaps demoted Saints could be given a special title until they regain their former station... like Bodhisattva. Granted this doesn't quite fit the scheme, but the metaphor is nice: those who reached enlightenment and came back again. Whatever the case, one would hope that people would take it in stride, set their sights higher, and continue to learn, teach, and have fun as before.

Incidentally, I also like arturo's notion of honorifics... perhaps this whole thing shouldn't be quite so linear.


Comment on Re: Level Proposal
Re: Re: Level Proposal
by amelinda (Friar) on Feb 24, 2001 at 04:24 UTC
    Oooh, Ooooh! I wanna be a Vicar! (Well, technically, I'd be a Vicaress, but still...)

    In all honesty, this sounds just fine to me... the whole totem expansion just doesn't really match the theme. It's a strained metaphor1. And as for the "people might be offended by christian themes," uhm, guys, they're already offended and left when they saw the whole monastery theme.

    Update: Uncle! Uncle! Yes, I do know that it was tilly who was complaining about overly christian themes in the suggestions for new levels.
    For reference, I am a significantly non-christian person. However, I still think that we are already on a christian theme, so why are people getting pissy now?
    On the other hand, someone else in this thread suggested some religious titles from some other religions. I'd personally be just as happy if we used some of those, if the community decided that we really do need to add more levels.

    1 Yes, it's already strained, but this is a totally orthagonal strain.

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