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Re^3: What's wrong with Perl 6?

by PipTigger (Friar)
on May 15, 2007 at 11:47 UTC ( #615519=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: What's wrong with Perl 6?
in thread What's wrong with Perl 6?

I don't mean to be overly rude but it seems it did matter that you wanted to speak Perl "baby talk" because you also wanted to readily understand everyone else's source (i.e., dialect). Your mentality perturbs me.

Perl 5 enabled you to baby talk blissfully. Perl 6 seems thoroughly poised to enable the same. How is that simple elegance diminished by the availability of optional advanced capabilities? I mean, were you lulled into some misguided silver-bullet idea because Perl has been so successful at making easy things easy that you presumed "baby talk" would also be sufficient to make hard things not only possible but easy too?!

If linguistic expressiveness && many solutions were the dark side of Perl that you were dismayed to discover, can the same be said about other programming or verbal languages you have endeavored to learn at least the rudiments of? I understand that time && effort to learn non-native languages are limited but does this justify taking a diminished outlook on a foreign language because you discover mind-boggling semantics in the poetry of the native speakers?

I don't think Perl 6 is trying to be all things to all people. Neither does it seem to be TIMTOWTDI gone wild (in any devastating, irrational, insurmountable, etc. way). Maybe you're just a joker && I should just laugh along instead of being potentially ridiculous by taking a serious posture against you but everything I've yet learned of both Perl 5 && 6 suggests that they'll both be awesome languages for quickly writing useful software (even if you only scratch the surface). It seems unjustifiable && unproductive to expect to readily comprehend average or expert composition without a commensurate expectation to proportionately expand your own relevantly featureless vocabulary && inadequate understanding of diction (&& then it's disingenuous to describe the distinction between baby && mind-boggling as merely dialectic).

Perl 6 may have a much higher complexity ceiling than any programming language that has come before but it's also progressing powerfully towards making easy things even easier && hard things easy now too! If you don't need to know more than one way to do something, you should be just as able to ignore the subtleties && the new semantics you are daunted by. If you ever find the time && inclination to learn more, hopefully it can be seen as benefit rather than burden to you... and hopefully you can also learn to harbor less resentment towards the fluency of adolescents, adults, && elders just as they concertedly foster your self-directed socialization process to be viably terminated during infancy. I don't know. I love Perl but I still know how very much I have yet to learn about 5. I'm just thinking it would be more helpful for everyone if you could think about your attitude a bit more carefully && maybe demonstrate more gratitude for ambitious progress rather than indignance, disappointment, && an immature sense of entitlement towards universal simplicity. Lowest-common-denominators don't lend well to improvement.

I'm convinced that Perl is greater than sliced bread... && sushi! ;)

Again, sorry if I'm being too harsh or flaming counter-productively or without warrant here. I just wanted to contest your quibbles with mine intelligently. I've still got lots to learn about being intelligent too! ;)



-Pip


Comment on Re^3: What's wrong with Perl 6?
Re^4: What's wrong with Perl 6?
by db4n (Initiate) on May 19, 2007 at 18:17 UTC
    OMFG, what a raging fanboi.

    laughingboy wrote:

    I realized that TIMTOWTDI had a dark side. It didn't matter that I wanted to speak Perl "baby talk". Everyone else's source was speaking a different dialect.
    PipTigger wrote:
    I don't mean to be overly rude but it seems it did matter that you wanted to speak Perl "baby talk" because you also wanted to readily understand everyone else's source (i.e., dialect).
    I don't mean to be overly rude but it seems you don't read very well. Judging by the context of laughingboy's "didn't matter" comment, I would guess that what he meant was that being allowed to speak baby Perl didn't matter, i.e. the dark side mentioned in his previous sentence was still a problem. This would be because of everyone else's more advanced code that he mentioned in the following sentence.

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