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Re^5: History now influences voting (plagiarism)

by Argel (Prior)
on Nov 22, 2007 at 00:26 UTC ( #652285=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^4: History now influences voting (plagiarism)
in thread History now influences voting

I assume you have read that node of mine that you keep linking to.

When I linked to that post I was thinking more of the thread that led to it in addition to its contents (i.e. the context of the post as well).

I've re-read it and I don't see where I encouraged massive downvoting of all past nodes because the XP loss will solve the problem.

You never did nor did you imply it. Nor did I imply it for that matter. I was just pointing out that based on the discussions in your thread several options or direct involvement from the gods were not from a legal standpoint in the best interests on the Monastery. What I was saying is that that left massive downvoting.

Personally I think the alleged plagiarism incident was a good example of a self-policing community. You can argue how effective it was or not but I think the results speak for themselves. Now the community will have to rely on the gods. Can you really call that a minor change? Would it have been too much to at least address that in your OP?

Personally, I agree with most of the points you have made and that the plagiarism incident is likely a good example of an exception that proves the rule. On the other hand, there is something to be said for the less formal community we have here and forcing the community to put pressure on the gods to deal with a similar incident in the future feels like a fundamental change to the community. I guess I just wish we were at least given an opportunity to discuss it.

Anyway, I appreciate that you took the time to respond to my posts. Have a happy Thanksgiving!


Comment on Re^5: History now influences voting (plagiarism)
Re^6: History now influences voting (intervention)
by tye (Cardinal) on Nov 22, 2007 at 07:38 UTC
    Would it have been too much to at least address that in your OP?

    It wasn't anywhere in my mind. I still consider it the extremely rare exception and don't believe it is of much importance to the voting rules, though you are correct that the voting rules certainly impact how such an incident plays out in no small way.

    Personally I think the alleged plagiarism incident was a good example of a self-policing community. You can argue how effective it was or not but I think the results speak for themselves.

    Yes, I certainly approve of the community being able to manage on its own. And the community certainly did manage that on their own.

    Now the community will have to rely on the gods.

    Well, the only intervention I would expect would be a pronouncement and a single SQL update statement to subtract the determined number from one field (yes, a little bit more goes along with that behind the scenes). And I don't think that part is of much importance for the resolution of the actual problem, the halting of continued plagiarising. And I don't mind intervention in very rare situations, especially in such a non-crucial manner. I think the "vigilanteism" against old nodes was a good example of two "wrongs" nearly making a "right". I was at least somewhat happy to not have to intervene (which is never fun) but I think I would have preferred the case of vigilanteism being forced to be very limited, not being sufficient to reverse the accumulated XP (though certainly causing plenty of loss of future "good will") and an XP penalty based on a judgement being levied.

    I guess I just wish we were at least given an opportunity to discuss it.

    Strange, I got the feeling some discussion was happening right here and still yet the most controversial part is not yet deployed (and the other parts were announced quite a few years ago so I don't think you can reasonably complain about not having had a chance to discuss those -- and precursors of this most controversial feature were being discussed years ago as well).

    I'm quite happy with the feedback I've gotten. One point was easily turned around and I was happy to scratch that off the list of consideration. Other points were challenged along several fronts and at the least a need for more clarity was demonstrated. I got more insight into different perspectives and at the least have more filed away for how things might be adjusted in future and there is still the possibility that things will be adjusted quite soon, depending on how these (and other) discussions progress.

    I several times lightly lamented that there was not more contributions from other monks. I really prefer to see others jump into a discussion like this (and some did), rather than it mostly being OP, replies, and only OP responding to the replies. I've previously pushed for "speak up, either way" so there would be more cases of "me too" on all sides and was briefly tempted to do that here. But I think I've gotten somewhat used to "Warnock" because I'm now happy with the subtler signs I've seen that this is fairly widely approved of in general terms so far.

    I don't think I'll be "throwing the big switch" at the original one-week mark (I didn't give good odds of that schedule surviving anyway). I'm mulling things, expecting further input, and will solicit more input as things gel...

    - tye        

      Strange, I got the feeling some discussion was happening right here and still yet the most controversial part is not yet deployed (and the other parts were announced quite a few years ago so I don't think you can reasonably complain about not having had a chance to discuss those -- and precursors of this most controversial feature were being discussed years ago as well).

      My apologies. I was under the impression they were implemented already.

      As some of my co-workers like to say "I can't even remember what happened two days ago let alone last week". :-) So maybe some links to those discussions that happened years ago would have been in order?

      I several times lightly lamented that there was not more contributions from other monks.

      Well, FWIW I have been thanked privately for raising the plagiarism incident (ironically by people likely more concerned about it than I am). Anyway, I would say my work here is done as the issue has been raised and acknowledged. Again, thanks for responding and have a happy Thanksgiving!

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