Re: Perl Monks with learning disabilities

It's good know something personal about a community member, as it helps bring us closer together. And, glad that you brought it up with perlsyntax's permission, so I'll definitely keep it in mind. However, ...

I have some general comments about "snarkiness" and such that may have occurred already (and most likely will continue). Yes, forums are very public places and some people will use the anonymity of the forum to say things they normally wouldn't say in a face-to-face discussion (though, some might, I'm sure). However, there should be a modicum of etiquette when posting, which would entail "thinking" about what you are going to say and how it might affect the person on the other end, whom you've probably never met before. Because we have the voting system and moderators, any inappropriate comment directed at someone with a disability can probably be taken care of. And, the non-snarky members can always chime in with a word of support or encouragement to boot.

As far as the comments about wearing a "star" or some such, I'm definitely not for putting targets on people with disabilities who post in a public forum. In an online community, everyone should be coming from the same level. (regardless the fun XP levels here). I don't think calling them out would be beneficial for them or for us. Even if it is optional.

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Re^2: Perl Monks with learning disabilities by dwu (Monk) on Nov 29, 2007 at 01:29 UTC
As far as the comments about wearing a "star" or some such, I'm definitely not for putting targets on people with disabilities who post in a public forum. In an online community, everyone should be coming from the same level. (regardless the fun XP levels here). I don't think calling them out would be beneficial for them or for us. Even if it is optional. Pardon, but how is having this announced (with consent, or otherwise) not a "calling out"? The sentiment of support for perlsyntax is appreciated, but it's a bit difficult to reconcile "glad you brought it up" and "I don't think calling them out would be beneficial" in the same post. I don't think it should have been brought up at all, since the Monks shouldn't need to be treating someone specially to be decent.	[reply]
Re^3: Perl Monks with learning disabilities by tuxz0r (Pilgrim) on Nov 29, 2007 at 02:48 UTC
My statement was... It's good know something personal about a community member, as it helps bring us closer together. And, glad that you brought it up with perlsyntax's permission, so I'll definitely keep it in mind. However, ... To reiterate, I "appreciated" the bit of information about perlsyntax brought up by perlfan. I didn't say I agree with the post. I agree with the sentiment of the post, expressing concern. I also am glad he brought it up with his permission, instead of without. However, this in no way contradicts my statement in disagreement with "tagging" those with disabilities. I agree, bringing it up in a post in the first place is just like "wearing a star" and it probably will just draw more attention to perlsyntax's posts in the future, whether for good or bad. I don't think there's a big contradiction in my expression of appreciation for the concern (it was brought up, I might as well take it into consideration) and my disagreement about drawing attention to community members with disabilities. --- `echo S 1 [ Y V U \| perl -ane 'print reverse map { $_ = chr(ord($_)-1) } @F;'` Warning: Any code posted by tuxz0r is untested, unless otherwise stated, and is used at your own risk.	[reply]
Re^4: Perl Monks with learning disabilities by dwu (Monk) on Nov 29, 2007 at 03:30 UTC
I don't think there's a big contradiction in my expression of appreciation for the concern (it was brought up, I might as well take it into consideration) and my disagreement about drawing attention to community members with disabilities. <advocate whose=devil>Public concern is drawing attention.</advocate> descends into meta I appreciate your appreciation of the concern, as previously stated; I've not ever appreciated the original concern (because it drew attention, not because it wasn't nice of perlfan). I appreciate perlfan's intents/motives/whatever; the means were poorly chosen, IMO. You're absolutely right that your statements don't self-contradict - I'll slyly point out that the fact you'll keep it in mind means you are tagging perlsyntax :), which is why I had/have trouble reconciling them, but as logical statements, they're perfectly sound. leaves the table	[reply]


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