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Re: Perl is sinking (TIOBE): all time low for Perl

by ELISHEVA (Prior)
on Mar 08, 2009 at 18:27 UTC ( #749147=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Perl is sinking (TIOBE): all time low for Perl

The real question here is "who listens to TIOBE?". Do any of us know? I don't. If people are listening to TIOBE, it really doesn't matter if we disapprove of the methodology and can show how it disagrees with Google's own rankings. It will bite us, unless we are proactive. Of course, if no one is listening, then TIOBE's rankings don't matter at all.

TIOBE is claiming that they can predict which languages are a good investment. Which languages will you be able to build your career around five years out? Which languages will you be able to build teams around not just today but five years hence when you have five versions of your project in maintenance mode? Do we really want college students and managers thinking they are jeopardizing their careers by investing in Perl? If they trust TIOBE, that is what they will think.

Perl's success of course depends on the quality of the language and the quality of developers attracted to it. This in marketing terms is an "order qualifier": the thing that even lets us make the Perl pitch. But to actually make the sale we need more than a good language and a good community: we need managerial mind share and new blood - neither of which we will get if we simply dismiss those like TIOBE who, however awful their methodology, view those very managers and students as their target audience.

TIOBE may or may not be important, but TIOBE rankings raise issues of deep importance. Moritz is right - this isn't the death of Perl, but it isn't exactly a PR success story either.

So what can we do?

  • Find out who is listening to TIOBE. And if people we care about are listening,
  • Find out what other blogs, news sources, etc they also listen to
  • Get our critique of TIOBE's methodology out before the people who are listening to TIOBE by going to all the other places they listen to.

Best, beth


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Re^2: Perl is sinking (*****): all time low for Perl
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Mar 08, 2009 at 18:35 UTC

    This thread in general, and your post in particular with its 10 references, have probably increased the Google ranking of this obscure and unimportant site way up. Even though (I think) most of the references have been negative.

    It's that old cliche coming true again: any publicity is good publicity.


    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
      I agree. When we refer to it, let's shuffle the letters around or call it something else as a codeword. Maybe E-OBIT ?

        I've updated my node title to reflect this "*****", like BrowserUk runrig etc. perhaps others who have posted in this node should do the same.

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