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Re^2: Upgrading CPAN - Yes We Can

by EvanCarroll (Chaplain)
on Jun 03, 2009 at 22:13 UTC ( #768187=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Upgrading CPAN - Yes We Can
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I for one would love to apologize for the above stupid response. Sorry. JavaFan will hopefully go away and take his archaic cpan with him.
Unfortunately for perl and JavaFan there are a lot of people that want more than a mirrored ftp site with an inept web interface. We care about our online collaboration abilities and our distribution tools, and realize that people who view them as separate layers are probably living in the 1990s. Please let this discussion continue unabated by the above inane response.

Thanks.

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PS who are you jerks to tell anyone to write code. If he wants to shoot out an idea (I want my cpan to do this) or a complaint (I don't want to use cpan because of this..) Feel free. And to the thread starter check out 764247



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Re^3: Upgrading CPAN - Yes We Can
by shmem (Canon) on Jun 03, 2009 at 22:28 UTC
    I for one would love to apologize for the above

    If you feel inclined to apologize, do so for your own posts - not for nodes you didn't author.

Re^3: Upgrading CPAN - Yes We Can
by JavaFan (Canon) on Jun 03, 2009 at 22:52 UTC
    Yada, yada, yada. I've been hearing people crying "Booh! It can be so much better!" about CPAN for more than 10 years. But here we are, 10 years later, and noone has created the better alternative to CPAN yet. Lots of talk, but noone actually did much work in creating an alternative.

    I'm fine with someone saying I want my CPAN to do this. And I'm fine with someone saying, I am going to write an alternative. But there's little I am going to... in the post I was replying to, and there's no and this is what I've already done at all.

      And I'm fine with someone saying, I am going to write an alternative. But there's little I am going to... in the post I was replying to, and there's no and this is what I've already done at all.

      Those are great points and shouldn't be missed in what is already tending towards a flamewar.

      Even short of having existing code, there's nothing wrong with saying "here is what I plan to do and I want feedback on the idea before I go do it".

      Frankly, there's nothing wrong either with someone speculating on how things could be better, or trying to galvanize "the community" to do better. (C.f. Alias' rant about crappy design of perl web sites.)

      But between the two sentiments, I'm much more interested in the first than the second. Better ideas are rarely the constraint for improving the Perl ecosystem, but rather it's the time of volunteers to write working, professional, polished code.

      So while "show me the code" can come across just as dismissive as "patches welcome", the underlying message is that doing the work ultimately does more to advance the Perl ecosystem than a wishlist does.

      -xdg

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Re^3: Upgrading CPAN - Yes We Can
by Anonymous Monk on Jun 03, 2009 at 23:15 UTC
    PS who are you jerks to tell anyone to write code. If he wants to shoot out an idea (I want my cpan to do this) or a complaint (I don't want to use cpan because of this..) Feel free.

    How dare you disagree? How dare you agree? Its because you can't write the code? Yes, that must be it. :p

Re^3: Upgrading CPAN - Yes We Can
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Jun 04, 2009 at 00:45 UTC
    JavaFan will hopefully go away and take his archaic cpan with him.

    That's an incredibly short-sighted response.

    The entire CPAN ecosystem relies on CPAN itself being merely a centralized uploading and distributed distribution system.

    ... who are you jerks to tell anyone to write code.

    People who've written code that millions of other people rely on and who know that only the act of writing code gets code written.

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