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Where is the input box?

by hsfrey (Beadle)
on Jul 16, 2009 at 23:49 UTC ( #780888=monkdiscuss: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

Why can't I find the input box to submit a post on the Monastery Gates page?

There is no link near the top saying 'submit' or "new note" or "post a message".

If I scan all the way to the bottom, sometimes there's an input box (like on this page), and sometimes there isn't.

Is there a fixed link somewhere to a submission box?

Or, is it your policy to make it hard to post?

Comment on Where is the input box?
Re: Where is the input box?
by toolic (Chancellor) on Jul 17, 2009 at 00:21 UTC

      Given that the front page is intended to be "the first thing a newcomer to PM sees", perhaps there should be an obvious link to Where should I post X? somewhere near the top?

      Something along the line of "New to PM? Looking for help? Please go here first."

        The Information nodelet has a link called Guide to the Monastery that also talks about the sections. I think the title "Guide to the Monastery" is along the lines of what you mention. We also have a "Need Help??" link just above the nodelets, and a message on top of the front page saying "If you're new here please read PerlMonks FAQ" (though this latter only seems to appear if you're not logged in). Just how many more links do you want?

Re: Where is the input box?
by ig (Vicar) on Jul 17, 2009 at 12:13 UTC
Re: Where is the input box?
by apl (Monsignor) on Jul 19, 2009 at 12:30 UTC
    I thought the PerlMonks FAQ, and especially Posting on PerlMonks would have answered your question, but I guess you couldn't bother to RTFM.

    Revised: PerlMonks FAQ link changed to an internal link, as per Corion's suggestion.

      I think this question was well meant. hsfrey was only 3 days 'old' when he posted this question. Sometimes it takes a while for new users to find all the links in the sidebars. There are an awful lot of them and the document you posted has lot of information to sort through. It can be overwhelming. I know it took me a while.

      The topic you linked to, "Posting on Perl Monks", is at the very top of the FAQ, but it is buried in the middle of a heavy block of summary topics. Even if the item did catch the OP's eye, I think he or she may still be forgiven for not realizing that it answered his/her question. Not everyone is going to make the connection between "posting" and "asking". Unless you are a frequent participant of question and answer boards, posting sounds like you are tacking up a notice, writing an article, or making a comment on a blog or Facebook wall, i.e. providing information rather than requesting it. And if you aren't familiar with the on-line world, it might even be unintelligible: "what?! post a letter? do you mean email?"

      In any case, if we wish to be welcoming, certain facts shouldn't require RTFM to understand. The interface should speak for itself. Isn't that the point of usability?

      Best, beth

        Under slightly different circumstances, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. But when I read a post that starts:
        Why can't I find the input box to submit a post on the Monastery Gates page?
        and ends
        Or, is it your policy to make it hard to post?
        my immediate response is to think "The problem may not be with this site". An analogous situation is reading a post that says "There's a bug in Perl; it won't do what I want it to".

        Could I have posted in a more civil fashion? You bet. Was my sentiment wrong? I'm not so certain.

        Um, actually hsfrey has been a user since Jul 13, 2008 at 18:26 CDT. Of course, in that time s/he may well have spent only 72 hrs actually using PM.

        HTH,

        planetscape

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