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Re^2: Improving CPAN using Google sidewiki

by EvanCarroll (Chaplain)
on Sep 28, 2009 at 18:50 UTC ( #797978=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Improving CPAN using Google sidewiki
in thread Improving CPAN using Google sidewiki

I know it works for 32bit Firefox/Linux. And, I'm tempted to say it works for 64bit Firefox/Linux too. Other than that, you're talking about a /very/ small percentage of perl *developers* -- not end users of the modules: I make my stuff on 32-bit Linux, and people often install on BSD/AIX boxes. ANNO Cpan is old, its adoption rate is evidence that it is not a good solution.

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Re^3: Improving CPAN using Google sidewiki
by merlyn (Sage) on Sep 29, 2009 at 01:50 UTC
    Other than that, you're talking about a /very/ small percentage of perl *developers*
    You're apparently ignorant of the ever-increasing use of Mac OSX by the Perl community. And no, this doesn't work with Safari either, my preferred browser.

    When there's a cross-browser solution, propose it. Until then, dead in the water, please.

    -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker

    The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.

      I'm not ignorant to the Mac OSX community. They're certainly out there. And, until google ports it to Safari, they can use Firefox. It is deceitful and wrong to say sidewiki is not cross-browser -- as a terminology nazi you should know this. It ran on two browsers in the initial release!!! Just because it doesn't run on your closed-source proprietary browser of choice, doesn't mean it is "dead in the water." Granted, this may not be the end-all solution for the Mac OSX community, but that does not mean it is not solution. And, that doesn't mean it is not a better solution for all of the perl community than sidewiki. I don't want to use two cpans (ANNO/search.cpan), you don't want to use two browsers. Unfortunately, the downside to the sidewiki solution is people without the sidewiki toolbar, such as Safari users, have to continue with two browsers.

      Where are the browser stats for perlmonks or cpan.org? Lets show up, we apparently require more data to determine if the costs (more work for OSX users), is worth the gain less work for Firefox/Explorer and soon Chrome users.



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        I like the idea, but i'm a little annoyed by google on this one. First of all I use firefox 2 and 3, chrome and IE on multiple different computers. Three home computers, a laptop and a work computer. So in order to see this added content I have to install a toolbar on all of these and I don't install googles toolbars ever. The fact that it doesn't work in Chrome, googles own browser, is even more annoying. So while I think the idea is great, the implementation is certainly a no go for me and I'd bet others as we wont have the right toolbar and/or browser installed at all the places that it would be usefull.

        Instead of all this, could we get CPAN updated to include the sidewiki gadget in some way? Maybe a good group of beta users could use the toolbar, add some content and then convince the powers that be to add the widget? I dunno. I do appreciate your zeal and zest though, it is nice to see someone this passionate about it all!


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        And, until google ports it to Safari, they can use Firefox.

        Dictating which browser someone must use in order to use an open project smells terribly wrong. "You can take this road but only if you drive a Ford. Don't like Fords? Can't use one? No access." (might be a poor analogy but I'm pretty picky about my browsers and what I install on them)

        It is deceitful and wrong to say sidewiki is not cross-browser -- as a terminology nazi you should know this. It ran on two browsers in the initial release!!!

        To me, "cross-browser" means all major modern browsers, though often I'll even include Lynx in that. In the web-dev world, that's what it means.

        Just because it doesn't run on your closed-source proprietary browser of choice, doesn't mean it is "dead in the water."

        Sorry it seems like I'm nit-picking, but the only closed-source browser I can think of listed by others would be Opera (which is otherwise rather awesome and surely the preferred browser of some monks?). Web-kit is open-source, KHTML is open-source, even Chrome is open-source. But that aside, requiring a 3rd-party plugin and Registering with tehGoogles (do I get a star on my shoulder with that?), if this were the only way to access this, makes the internet-hippy in me look twice.

        Where are the browser stats for perlmonks or cpan.org? Lets show up, we apparently require more data to determine if the costs (more work for OSX users), is worth the gain less work for Firefox/Explorer and soon Chrome users.

        Why not some progressive enhancement? Those with certain browsers and tools can use the "better way" while still allowing access to all? Why block access to some? Browserstats are always suspect. Look how often Opera has to masquerade its user-agent id as "Internet Explorer" to prevent getting borked by sites who do browser-sniffing (which have lately been puking on "Opera 10", as sniffers haven't been trained to read a two-digit browser version number and think it's "Opera 1").

Re^3: Improving CPAN using Google sidewiki
by moritz (Cardinal) on Sep 29, 2009 at 07:24 UTC
    Do you have any data to support your statement that it's a very small percentage we're talking about?

    Since most Perl developers I know work on some unixish systems, I'm not inclined to simply believe that.

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