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Re^7: Resources for Moose

by EvanCarroll (Chaplain)
on Nov 07, 2009 at 05:58 UTC ( #805619=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^6: Resources for Moose
in thread Resources for Moose

It still has a huge purpose. The wikibook stands to give /everyone/ with a browser a source of third party docs that don't fall under your jurisdiction and that can be changed or updated without "special access" or doc patch known-how. I'll admit though that when I created them the doc situation in Moose was /much/ worse than it is today.

I would still assert that it has strong assets, and that I still update it every now and then. I really like the great concentrated doc for has(),



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Re^8: Resources for Moose
by stvn (Monsignor) on Nov 09, 2009 at 19:10 UTC
    The wikibook stands to give /everyone/ with a browser a source of third party docs that don't fall under your jurisdiction and that can be changed or updated without "special access" or doc patch known-how

    You make this sound like an act of rebellion against us as your oppressors, a little dramatic don't you think? And honestly, the whole "under your jurisdiction" comment and the censorship it implies is ridiculous.

    You were have been banned from #moose for repeatedly being a troll and causing trouble. I personally stuck my neck out for you several times and got you unbanned but you just went right back to the same behavior that got you banned initially. Your exclusion from the community is self-inflicted, you simply pissed off the wrong people (the ones with ops).

    As for access to the docs, we have Moose mirrored on github and happily accept branches from anyone as long as they are accurate and correct. Yes you need to know git in order to contribute, but this is how open source works often times. And if you really can't/don't want to go through git, we would happily accept old-school patches or even just simple corrections via the mailing list/IRC/RT.cpan (it might take longer for people to get around to applying them though).

    There is no real barrier to contribution here, only one you have erected yourself through your continued troll-ish behavior.

    I would still assert that it has strong assets, and that I still update it every now and then. I really like the great concentrated doc for has(),

    This may very well be true, but it would be so much nicer if you would contribute to the official docs instead so that we can have one central place for this information. But alas, if you feel the need to be a martyr, go for it.

    -stvn
      There is nothing imaginary about calling git, or source control, or "patches" (which implies knowledge of diff ) a barrier. This barrier might be negligible for a seasoned developer, but it is massive for a user. And, even the seasoned developer will find the time spent using the majority of these tools prohibitive. Perl has a huge audience that is system admins, and a huge audience that will never use diff/git/svn/cvs or any other method you impose. You can make the same argument about wiki* requiring the use of a web browser, but elderly grandmas can use it.

      BTW, good, ad hominem, I'm not saying anything of my actions, I am saying that so long is there is one person who can kline/ban and no democratic process to appeal you lose the better governance that wikibooks offers. As for me, exclusion from the community is kind of a long shot - just IRC my preferred medium. I'm still active on your mailing lists, publishing Moose modules, and editing wikibooks.

      As for my content, it is free!!! Take it, please, I believe it will better the users of your "central/official" docs, and I'm unilaterally and unconditionally giving it away. If there is no "barrier", and I'm making it up, then the reason why it hasn't been included is nonexistent.


      Evan Carroll
      The most respected person in the whole perl community.
      www.evancarroll.com

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