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Re^3: The current state of Perl 6

by moritz (Cardinal)
on Apr 19, 2010 at 11:23 UTC ( #835452=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: The current state of Perl6
in thread The current state of Perl6

oppinion on Perl6's production-readiness

Note that this is not what's been discussed in the reddit thread (but rather if it's practical).

Anyway, it's not yet production ready, for most values of "production" that you can come up with.

I do occasionally solve problems in Perl 6 where it's much better suited than Perl 5, but usually when I want something stable that will still work in 2 years without any maintenance, I use Perl 5.

Rakudo is now in need of early adopters to shake out bugs, and to tell the developers which areas need the most work to become "production ready" (which can mean a whole lot of different things depending on othe use case).

Perl 6 - links to (nearly) everything that is Perl 6.


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Re^4: The current state of Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 19, 2010 at 15:50 UTC
    So, people are using perl6 code at this time? And, if so what are the results? I am wondering are the people who upgrade perl 5 working on perl 6 as well? It just seems it is taking an extremely long time 10 plus years to come out with a production usable version. Second, it seems there has been every excuse in the world on the site as to reasons why this version or a delay occurs every month. Maybe some other open source people should assist with finishing up a production version of perl6?

      I cannot agree more with what you wrote, I think this is entirely true. More than a decade has passed since they started writing Perl6.

      The problem is they also had a lot of implementation, instead of doing some centralized common effort, they spread like fishes when approaching obstacles in a stream.

      Here's some quick statistics on the number of commits

      8|Allison Randal 
      8|Julian Albo 
      10|Audrey Tang 
      13|mberends 
      15|Leopold Toetsch 
      16|James E Keenan (Jim) 
      17|Paul Cochrane 
      22|Andy Lester 
      35|Jonathan Scott Duff 
      35|Kyle Hasselbacher 
      38|Martin Berends 
      38|Mark Glines a.k.a. Infinoid 
      40|Cory Spencer 
      44|David Romano 
      45|Will "Coke" Coleda 
      52|Bernhard Schmalhofer 
      65|chromatic 
      97|Stephen Weeks 
      118|Carl Masak 
      229|Moritz A Lenz 
      232|Jerry Gay a.k.a. particle 
      429|Solomon Foster 
      477|jnthn 
      536|Moritz Lenz 
      796|Patrick R. Michaud 
      818|pmichaud 
      1040|Jonathan Worthington 
      

      It's pretty clear who the main people are here. Maybe it's also a problem of competency. Maybe they don't master all the elements needed to write a language. I don't know. But I'm 100% there are reasons for Perl6 not being production-ready yet.

      What is interesting to note is that these people are carrying out unpaid work. That means they have fragmented time slices which are used to implement Perl6. Again that's something very important. Also, because it's unpaid work, maybe it's not taken very seriously and the mentality of the whole project is something like yeah, we got this experiment going, and it's going to continue to be an experiment for a looong long time

        More than a decade has passed since they started writing (Perl 6).

        Nonsense.

        Also, because it's unpaid work, maybe it's not taken very seriously....

        In retrospect, that might be true.

        It's pretty clear who the main people are here. Maybe it's also a problem of competency. Maybe they don't master all the elements needed to write a language
        That's just plain offensive.
      So, people are using perl6 code at this time?

      Yes.

      And, if so what are the results?

      Some people like it, others don't.

      am wondering are the people who upgrade perl 5 working on perl 6 as well?

      Most developers either work on Perl 5 or Perl 6 - both take up tremendous amounts of time, and since the code bases don't overlap all that much, there's no good reason for developers to work on both.

      It just seems it is taking an extremely long time 10 plus years to come out with a production usable version.

      It is. Because Perl 6 has extremely high demands on compiler writers.

      Second, it seems there has been every excuse in the world on the site as to reasons why this version or a delay occurs every month.

      I've mostly seen reasons, not excuses.

      Let me make this perfectly clear: There's no reason why any Perl 6 developer should excuse himself or herself for not having finished something you'd like to see - we're all volunteers. And nobody wants to see Perl 6 "done" more than those people actually working on it.

      Maybe some other open source people should assist with finishing up a production version of perl6?

      I'd really love to see that. But attracting contributors isn't as easy as saying "maybe somebody else should assist".

      If you have any idea how that might be accomplished, I'm eager to hear.

      Perl 6 - links to (nearly) everything that is Perl 6.

        In such a generally unpleasant and contentious thread, it sure was nice to read your patient and informative reply to some of the main questions. Along with a few other serious replies, I feel that I've gotten a little better sense of what's going on ... without the effort of following the actual work. Thanks.

        It is. Because Perl 6 has extremely high demands on compiler writers.

        Maybe it has too high demands ? I'm not kidding.

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