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Re^4: The current state of Perl 6

by Anonymous Monk
on Apr 19, 2010 at 15:50 UTC ( #835523=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^3: The current state of Perl 6
in thread The current state of Perl6

So, people are using perl6 code at this time? And, if so what are the results? I am wondering are the people who upgrade perl 5 working on perl 6 as well? It just seems it is taking an extremely long time 10 plus years to come out with a production usable version. Second, it seems there has been every excuse in the world on the site as to reasons why this version or a delay occurs every month. Maybe some other open source people should assist with finishing up a production version of perl6?


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Re^5: The current state of Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 19, 2010 at 16:11 UTC

    I cannot agree more with what you wrote, I think this is entirely true. More than a decade has passed since they started writing Perl6.

    The problem is they also had a lot of implementation, instead of doing some centralized common effort, they spread like fishes when approaching obstacles in a stream.

    Here's some quick statistics on the number of commits

    8|Allison Randal 
    8|Julian Albo 
    10|Audrey Tang 
    13|mberends 
    15|Leopold Toetsch 
    16|James E Keenan (Jim) 
    17|Paul Cochrane 
    22|Andy Lester 
    35|Jonathan Scott Duff 
    35|Kyle Hasselbacher 
    38|Martin Berends 
    38|Mark Glines a.k.a. Infinoid 
    40|Cory Spencer 
    44|David Romano 
    45|Will "Coke" Coleda 
    52|Bernhard Schmalhofer 
    65|chromatic 
    97|Stephen Weeks 
    118|Carl Masak 
    229|Moritz A Lenz 
    232|Jerry Gay a.k.a. particle 
    429|Solomon Foster 
    477|jnthn 
    536|Moritz Lenz 
    796|Patrick R. Michaud 
    818|pmichaud 
    1040|Jonathan Worthington 
    

    It's pretty clear who the main people are here. Maybe it's also a problem of competency. Maybe they don't master all the elements needed to write a language. I don't know. But I'm 100% there are reasons for Perl6 not being production-ready yet.

    What is interesting to note is that these people are carrying out unpaid work. That means they have fragmented time slices which are used to implement Perl6. Again that's something very important. Also, because it's unpaid work, maybe it's not taken very seriously and the mentality of the whole project is something like yeah, we got this experiment going, and it's going to continue to be an experiment for a looong long time

      More than a decade has passed since they started writing (Perl 6).

      Nonsense.

      Also, because it's unpaid work, maybe it's not taken very seriously....

      In retrospect, that might be true.

        how's that nonsense ? It's true.

        the paragraph where you're talking about wife-beating .. I dunno where that came from

      It's pretty clear who the main people are here. Maybe it's also a problem of competency. Maybe they don't master all the elements needed to write a language
      That's just plain offensive.
        Why is it offensive ? Writing a compiler is not an easy task, it may prove challenging even for experienced people.
Re^5: The current state of Perl 6
by moritz (Cardinal) on Apr 19, 2010 at 16:32 UTC
    So, people are using perl6 code at this time?

    Yes.

    And, if so what are the results?

    Some people like it, others don't.

    am wondering are the people who upgrade perl 5 working on perl 6 as well?

    Most developers either work on Perl 5 or Perl 6 - both take up tremendous amounts of time, and since the code bases don't overlap all that much, there's no good reason for developers to work on both.

    It just seems it is taking an extremely long time 10 plus years to come out with a production usable version.

    It is. Because Perl 6 has extremely high demands on compiler writers.

    Second, it seems there has been every excuse in the world on the site as to reasons why this version or a delay occurs every month.

    I've mostly seen reasons, not excuses.

    Let me make this perfectly clear: There's no reason why any Perl 6 developer should excuse himself or herself for not having finished something you'd like to see - we're all volunteers. And nobody wants to see Perl 6 "done" more than those people actually working on it.

    Maybe some other open source people should assist with finishing up a production version of perl6?

    I'd really love to see that. But attracting contributors isn't as easy as saying "maybe somebody else should assist".

    If you have any idea how that might be accomplished, I'm eager to hear.

    Perl 6 - links to (nearly) everything that is Perl 6.

      In such a generally unpleasant and contentious thread, it sure was nice to read your patient and informative reply to some of the main questions. Along with a few other serious replies, I feel that I've gotten a little better sense of what's going on ... without the effort of following the actual work. Thanks.

        do share your conclusion
      It is. Because Perl 6 has extremely high demands on compiler writers.

      Maybe it has too high demands ? I'm not kidding.

        Maybe it has. But you can't know from just looking at the time frame. TimToady usually says he'd rather like Perl 6 to take longer than finishing on time, and being crap. I agree.

        Still we are well aware that some things are very hard to achieve, which is why occasionallly features are removed from the spec. See S01 for more thoughts.

        Perl 6 - links to (nearly) everything that is Perl 6.

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