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Re^3: The current state of Perl 6

by chromatic (Archbishop)
on Apr 19, 2010 at 17:04 UTC ( #835549=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^2: The current state of Perl6
in thread The current state of Perl6

Production ready for my business (publishing) is different than production ready for real-time derivatives trading. Production ready for my brother's business (software testing) is different from production ready for a non-profit. Production ready for a web development firm is different from production ready for an ISP. Production ready for a biology lab is different from production ready for an industrial automation shop. Production ready for a sporting good store is different from production ready for a university.

Within those industries, production ready also depends on availability and skill level of developers, maintainers, managers, and consultants, as well as their taste for risk, the amount of ancillary tools and materials, and considerations for existing code and systems.

None of these are binary, off-or-on, simple, single right answer for everyone everywhere questions.

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Re^4: The current state of Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 20, 2010 at 02:45 UTC
    Is it as much production ready as much as Perl 5 is for all/any business that currently Perl 5 is used for?

      I don't know. I don't care. I know what I need from Perl 6 to use it. I don't really care if it's ready or not for anyone else to use it, in the abstract.

      If you need specific features or characteristics, you're welcome to file specific bug reports or make specific feature requests. As with any free software project developed by a community, they may or may not be accepted but you get the source code either way, and you're free to do with it almost anything you wish.

      In the absence of specific questions and details, this degenerates into a debate over the semantics of abstract words like "done" and "exists" and "vaporware" and "delivery" and "dead" and "useful" and "usable", which is a lot of fun for epistemologists but is almost always an unproductive rathole for developers.

      Edited to add: I get the impression that some people think that the intent is for Perl 6 to replace Perl 5 wholesale. I only speak for myself, but that's not my intent. I have plenty of code it doesn't make sense to migrate to Perl 6 right now, and it might never make sense to migrate that code. With that said, I think that Perl 6 is a better language as a whole, but Perl 5 has the better surrounding ecosystem right now. Yet being able to use Perl 5 modules through Blizkost is a tremendous advantage for Rakudo, and it changes my risk/reward calculation for using Perl 6 substantially.

        I get your point and generally in most of your posts you try to say that 'done' is basically that needs to applied to unsupported software. But that is not what the debate is about. The debate is about a specification and a implementation that matches the specification, Neither of which is complete. What I mean to say is add as much as water you wish to add to a pool but when you want to walk on it, just freeze it. In the next cycle add some more water..freeze.. and the cycle goes on.

        it's interesting that you don't care. let me tell you something that you already know: there are two three books out there on Perl6 right now this one, this one and this one (ironically the language isn't yet usable in any serious application BUT WE HAVE FRIGGIN BOOKS DESCRIBING HOW TO USE IT!!! how do you explain that ?!?).

        before you publish another book that noone is going to read just because you want to publish books and attract attention, stop and think "am I going to waste paper (that could very well serve other purposes) again ?"

Re^4: The current state of Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 20, 2010 at 08:23 UTC

    dude, let's get this stuff clear. I mean PRODUCTION-READY in Software Development !

    There is no more room for confusion now!

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