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Re^9: The current state of Perl 6

by chromatic (Archbishop)
on Apr 20, 2010 at 06:20 UTC ( #835671=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^8: The current state of Perl 6
in thread The current state of Perl6

Why bother freezing a specification you're going to modify anyway, especially given that almost all of the modifications in the Perl 6 specification in the past couple of years (if not longer) have come at the request of implementors?

How is your proposal not a game of semantics dusted with a light sprinkling of unnecessary ceremony? Being able to point to any specific version of a specification won't change the fact that anyone remotely responsible and intelligent will have to evaluate any given release as to its actual qualities and not merely adherence to a specification that everyone knows will change from feedback anyway.

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Re^10: The current state of Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 20, 2010 at 06:41 UTC
    All specifications have something called as a freeze point/Release/you-name-it eg : C++ 98 etc. And that is important because it gives the implementors and the users something to target to. If the C++ 98 specification was never frozen and would continue to evolve till todays date there would be no such thing called as a C++ implementation because the target itself is not complete and implementations keep going on... the bugs keep coming on... and ultimately the users get bored and just go away. As has happened in case of Perl 6.

    Take perl 5.12 for example, after two years of development a point was reached that ... Ok, here we are after two years lets stop here ... release this and carry on future development on top of it. There fore 5.12 is a production release and life goes on after that... Why can't perl 6 do that?
Re^10: The current state of Perl 6
by Anonymous Monk on Apr 20, 2010 at 07:11 UTC
    As you yourself mentioned you are in the publishing business. Why do you have drafts and editions??? Why don't you just go on and on writing for decades making your novel/book thousands pages long without publishing it.

      To be fair, chromatic and others have been publishing what they call releases and what a publisher might call "drafts" of Perl 6 ("Rakudo") and Parrot for a long time, on a roughly monthly schedule already. It seems you're just uninformed and are trolling.

        it seems to me that chromatic is a bit unfair in publishing drafts, because the word draft itself does not describe a finished product. how can you publish some book that noone can get anything from ? so suppose you're a client and you buy chromatic's book. it's a draft ! it does not describe a product, it describes a pre-production-ready early early version of Perl6 which is usable just about nowhere at the time being(although it's a nice language). I believe he's exploiting a market that doesn't exist because he exploits it much much too early.

        Apparently Perl6 is very spoiled, it has specification waaaay before implementation, it has books waaaay before completion or a production-ready version. it exists on all blogs and people are talking about it yet it's not yet robust. It has advocates and people promoting it, although if someone were to really use Perl6 he wouldn't be able since it's not yet complete. Everything in Perl6 is extremely early.

        If you don't hear what you like, that doesn't amount to trolling and neither will that change the truth.Also don't expect everybody to sing the song which you like to hear.My reply was to his comment of "Necessity of freezing the spec", I drew analogy in the publishing industry as I thought he can understand better. Every book has editions, and sometimes editions are revised(With Improvements).
      ironically there are several obsolete Perl6 books published out there, which are of no use to anyone, so go figgure how much publishers care about the books the publish. (note:I am not a publisher, I'm just unhappy with this situation).

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