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Re^9: The current state of Perl6

by educated_foo (Vicar)
on Apr 20, 2010 at 13:14 UTC ( #835766=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^8: The current state of Perl6
in thread The current state of Perl6

The problem I have with how you spend your time is that it makes so much noise per unit of useful work:

Oh, and I patched the Perl 5 documentation today...
Here, have a cookie. Meanwhile, the people who make Perl worth using have been applying several patches per day without any blog noise.


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Re^10: The current state of Perl6
by petdance (Parson) on Apr 20, 2010 at 14:47 UTC

    It both fascinates and baffles me that you seem to believe that it is your place to assess the validity of how people spend their time on projects. Between this and dumping on the idea of improving documentation, it's like you fancy yourself a self-appointed supervisor of Perl projects, and you think everyone must do only those things you consider valid.

    What is it that gives you this idea?

    And to the others reading this thread, let me make this clear: educated_foo's tactics don't get anything useful done.

    xoxo,
    Andy

      Pot,
      It both fascinates and baffles me that you seem to believe that it is your place to assess the validity of how people spend their time
      meet kettle:
      And to the others reading this thread, let me make this clear: educated_foo's tactics don't get anything useful done.
      I "fancy myself" someone who has an opinion about what makes Perl useful, and how various actions make it more or less useful. You and Chromatic happen to have a different opinion. Do and say whatever you want, and I'll continue to speak up when I think that what you're doing is pointless or counterproductive.

        I'll continue to speak up when I think that what you're doing is pointless or counterproductive.

        But why? What do you imagine you're achieving by telling people that their work is pointless? Why does it aggrieve you to have someone work on something you wouldn't choose to work on? Do you have the mistaken belief that if someone works on project X that it's taking away resources from your pet project Y?

        I'm also trying to find the contributions that you're making to Perl, but not finding them. Can you please point me to them? I'm curious what you're adding.

        xoxo,
        Andy

Re^10: The current state of Perl6
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Apr 20, 2010 at 19:34 UTC
    The problem I have with how you spend your time is that it makes so much noise per unit of useful work....

    Good to know. How many commits do I have to make or modules to write or patches to apply or questions to answer before I can write a blog post? A book? A comment on a web site?

    Also, can you give me a concrete definition of "useful" work? I'd hate to waste my time on something that doesn't help you out right now, and then slip up and post a link on identi.ca.

      no, listen,don't exhaggerate again please.

      please keep code/talk near 2/1, kthx

      let's make the following analogy. let's say that code is the real axis, and talky-talk-talk is the imaginary axis. keep it real :)
      Anonymous Monk has done a decent job of answering without suffering random morons' down-votes. You can write whatever you want, whenever you want -- who am I to tell you what you can or can't do? But how does your ratio of contributions to blog noise compare to that of Nicholas Clark, H. Merijn Brand, Raphael Garcia-Suarez, etc.? Those people are actual contributors.

      PS -- WTF is identi.ca, and why should I care?

        But how does your ratio of contributions to blog noise compare to that of....

        A classic fallacy! For that to follow logically, you must assert that the abilities, interests, resources, talents, and opportunities of everyone mentioned are fungible. (You also have to assert that whatever I write that's "noise" to you is noise to other people, which is clearly not the case.)

        Those people are actual contributors.

        As am I. Feel free to download bleadperl from git and delete every commit to which I've contributed, for example. Good luck building it and getting it to pass tests. If you manage to get it to install, good luck installing CPAN modules.

        Try that with Rakudo. Try that with Parrot.

        Yet that doesn't matter! I have no need to defend myself against your silly allegation that I'm not an "actual" contributor, whatever that means (you throw phrases around as if they had meanings). Your argument would be petty, small-minded, and malicious even if I'd only contributed half or a quarter or a tenth of what I've contributed.

        You have every right to persist in your campaign of complaining about people who volunteer their time and talents and energies and interests to making software a little bit better for other people to use, feel free -- but honestly, attitudes like yours are responsible for driving off a lot of great contributors. After all, why should I bother trying to make something if some sourpuss is going to follow me around on the Internet and complain that I'm doing exactly and precisely what he thinks I should be doing?

        Perhaps you'd have a better chance of getting what you want if you practiced something a little bit closer to humility and gratitude. Certainly I'd take you a lot more seriously.

Re^10: The current state of Perl6
by IBlowGoatsSucker (Beadle) on Apr 21, 2010 at 09:52 UTC
    You are so right, how dare chromatic spend his free time the way he wants to? And write about something that he finds interesting in public! And he expresses his own opinion, not yours, the shameless man! I bet he uses strict in his PERL scripts too!

    You are fighting the fight of the truly just here, do not give up! The time you spend writing offensive nonsense helps Perl 5 immensely! Keep on doing it and you will save Perl 5, and people will continue to write buggy little admin scripts like the ones you prefer for all time!

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