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Re^11: The current state of Perl6

by educated_foo (Vicar)
on Apr 21, 2010 at 01:09 UTC ( #835925=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^10: The current state of Perl6
in thread The current state of Perl6

Anonymous Monk has done a decent job of answering without suffering random morons' down-votes. You can write whatever you want, whenever you want -- who am I to tell you what you can or can't do? But how does your ratio of contributions to blog noise compare to that of Nicholas Clark, H. Merijn Brand, Raphael Garcia-Suarez, etc.? Those people are actual contributors.

PS -- WTF is identi.ca, and why should I care?


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Re^12: The current state of Perl 6
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Apr 21, 2010 at 01:47 UTC
    But how does your ratio of contributions to blog noise compare to that of....

    A classic fallacy! For that to follow logically, you must assert that the abilities, interests, resources, talents, and opportunities of everyone mentioned are fungible. (You also have to assert that whatever I write that's "noise" to you is noise to other people, which is clearly not the case.)

    Those people are actual contributors.

    As am I. Feel free to download bleadperl from git and delete every commit to which I've contributed, for example. Good luck building it and getting it to pass tests. If you manage to get it to install, good luck installing CPAN modules.

    Try that with Rakudo. Try that with Parrot.

    Yet that doesn't matter! I have no need to defend myself against your silly allegation that I'm not an "actual" contributor, whatever that means (you throw phrases around as if they had meanings). Your argument would be petty, small-minded, and malicious even if I'd only contributed half or a quarter or a tenth of what I've contributed.

    You have every right to persist in your campaign of complaining about people who volunteer their time and talents and energies and interests to making software a little bit better for other people to use, feel free -- but honestly, attitudes like yours are responsible for driving off a lot of great contributors. After all, why should I bother trying to make something if some sourpuss is going to follow me around on the Internet and complain that I'm doing exactly and precisely what he thinks I should be doing?

    Perhaps you'd have a better chance of getting what you want if you practiced something a little bit closer to humility and gratitude. Certainly I'd take you a lot more seriously.

      A classic fallacy!
      You win the internets! Or something. Frankly, I'm happy that the (blah blah) is not fungible -- I'm glad that regular Perl 5 contributors can't or don't cash in their contributions for bloghorrhea credits.
      Feel free to download bleadperl from git and delete every commit to which I've contributed, for example. Good luck building it and getting it to pass tests.
      A classic fallacy! "The build breaks if you remove my commits" does not equal "I made a real contribution."
      Perhaps you'd have a better chance of getting what you want if you practiced something a little bit closer to humility and gratitude. Certainly I'd take you a lot more seriously.
      Since I already consider you a joke, I don't see why I should suck up to you. Humility? I'm just another Perl-using schlub, with no books to sell, columns to promote, or reputation to polish. I am less than a worm. Gratitude? The "actual contributors" I listed deserve my thanks; you, not so much.
        The "actual contributors" I listed deserve my thanks; you, not so much.

        I don't care if I get your thanks. I care if the Perl community is full of toxic attitudes such as yours. I don't want that.

        Go on. Keep insinuating that people are money and attention grubbing whores. Go on and question the sincerity of volunteers. Follow them around wherever they post and complain (anonymously and otherwise) that they haven't fallen all over themselves doing exactly what you think they should do, and complain that when they write about what they do and what they find important, that you think they should be off writing code.

        You can look at every public commit I've ever made to Perl or Parrot. I dare you. Really go through them. Look through every one of my posts to this site, or every message I've sent to a mailing list, or every talk I've given, or every article I've written, or every book I've written or edited or reviewed. Tell me that I haven't helped out other people. Tell me that I haven't made their lives easier. Tell me I haven't helped them solve their problems.

        You go off and do that, and then tell me with a straight face that I haven't earned the right to write about my opinions on Perl and software development.

        I don't care about your gratitude, but I stand by what I've done and I stand by what I've written. Tell me exactly how many opinions I can share based on how much work I've done. I'm curious. I'd really like to know how long you're going to whine about how other people spend their time.

        But even so, that doesn't really matter.

        You brought up Rafael and so did one of the anonymous monks. I don't care if he wrote Perl 5.10 singlehandledly (he didn't) -- when he called me a fraud and a liar and a manipulator and an attention whore trying to destroy Perl merely to sell books, he was out of line. He'd have been out of line if he'd never made a commit to Perl 5. He was just as out of line as a pumpking. He'd have been out of line saying that to you as much as he was saying it to me. (As I'm sure plenty of other people remember, I was out of line getting on Audrey's case for a decision she made with Pugs.)

        I don't want to be a part of a community where people talk to each other that way over something as trivial as software. As far as I'm concerned, the Perl community doesn't need your attitude. No software community does. Shame on you.

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