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Re: (OT) my first fired experience

by sundialsvc4 (Abbot)
on Jun 19, 2010 at 01:44 UTC ( #845493=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to (OT) my first fired experience

I certainly would like for you to name the company, so that everyone else in the Perl community will know not to go to work for them. Word gets around fast on the Internet. Spread the word on places like Facebook, too.

No, I am actually quite serious. I've been in this business for a very long time and sometimes you really do need to fight fire with fire. You can be “disarmingly neutral” when you express the opinion that such-and-so company is not advisable to work for.

Also:   bear in mind that, if you are good with Perl as you obviously are, there is always great demand for what you do. The world may be stuffed full of PHP hacks, but it is not stuffed with skilled Perl folks. “Older, but wiser now,” move on.


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Re^2: (OT) my first fired experience
by Your Mother (Canon) on Jun 19, 2010 at 04:03 UTC

    I sympathize—I do seem to say that a lot…—but this isn’t good advice. You should never be or even have the potential appearance of being petty. It’s not good for yourself psychologically and it might alienate an employer you’d really like to work for.

    Besides, there is no secret here. :) Dyer & Associates PC, Kensington, MD. All just data now. No judgements or op-ed, just information. Now to follow my own advice before I say anything else about that.

Re^2: (OT) my first fired experience
by leocharre (Priest) on Jun 21, 2010 at 14:03 UTC

    I appreciate the sentiment. But- It's a hard call to be upset with them in any way- personally, that is.

    I did work there for five years- and it was a good job- Meaningful- I helped develop some systems and hacks that saved co-workers etc a lot of time- I got to work with a couple of very talented people..

    It was a good experience- while the experience was happening.

    To be perfectly honest- I don't even know that I would advise for or against working for this business. There are always things to be concerned about- in all of our experiences, interactions formal and informal with other people. Maybe somebody needs the job- maybe *some*how in some way I cannot understand or fail to see- there was some miscommunication issue- and this next situation for them will work out. Likely not- but it's up to other people to create their own reality.

    And- you mention you've been in the industry for a long time- then you know- There can be much worse situations than this one- Maybe your employer gets offended when you don't come to their house on Christmas and down shots of vodka all night long instead of visiting your own family and friends- Or they don't pay you.. or... You know.
    Relatively- the situation is simple..

    This place does have a high turnover rate. It may be as mentioned - the employer is trying to minimize the penalty with the state. As moritz first mentioned, wisely so- it's nothing personal. I do get that feeling.

    As for also- Too old to be excited about the next brand new experience, and too young for wisdom... I'm wondering how many of us suffer from this sort of- post partum depression thing- after an event of this sort.

      it's nothing personal

      I don't know the actors, events, etc, etc, but assuming it is what it looks like I'd say: integrity is always a personal issue and firing someone for cause where there is, in light of fact, no cause is both personal and despicable. Saying it's "just business" doesn't justify unethical business practices. It's horrifying that we've come to associate business with amorality.

      You have good perspective. It might take awhile but I am betting you'll land in a better situation. I know how humiliating searching for a job can feel even when you're doing it willingly. While you're looking, remember that job hunting is quite a bit like dating. You're both looking for a good match and a fun, positive, self-confident attitude is very attractive to pretty much everyone.

      Total sidebar: you have some chops with the paints. I was a merciless art critic in a former incarnation too so I'm not just saying that. Keep it up! Dig deep while you've got extra cycles and see where it takes you.

        it's nothing personal
        I don't know the actors, events, etc, etc, but assuming it is what it looks like I'd say: integrity is always a personal issue and firing someone for cause where there is, in light of fact, no cause is both personal and despicable. Saying it's "just business" doesn't justify unethical business practices. It's horrifying that we've come to associate business with amorality.
        ++ Well said! If I could give you all of my mod points I would! There's a reason greed is one of the seven deadly sins.

        Elda Taluta; Sarks Sark; Ark Arks

      ... I'm wondering how many of us suffer from this sort of- post partum depression thing- after an event of this sort.

      Everyone does - its normal. You mentioned being dumped by your gf earlier, well here you were dumped by your employer. Regardless of right or wrong, personal or not, the emotions are the same and everyone suffers them. The solution is to put it behind you and move on. Time will heal the wounds. BTW I've been "let go" from four different jobs for four different reasons over 25 years or so. The last one was just as painful as the first, but each time I got over it and moved on to something better. So, good luck with your next adventure.

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