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Re^2: Perl CPAN test metadata

by eyepopslikeamosquito (Canon)
on Aug 23, 2010 at 04:18 UTC ( #856629=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Perl CPAN test metadata
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Yes, I know the purpose of AUTOMATED_TESTING, so my post was not as clear as it should have been. Let me clarify the point I'm trying to make with a specific example. Suppose, as a CPAN author, I've written a long-running stress test, t/stress.t say, for my distribution. With AUTOMATED_TESTING, the test writer is expected to write some (imperative) code in t/stress.t to check for the AUTOMATED_TESTING (and possibly other) environment variable/s and skip the test if this variable is not set.

Instead of asking the test to check its runtime environment, I'm proposing that the test tool/s check the test metadata. In this example, the t/stress.t test (declaratively) states, via test metadata, that it is a long-running stress test. Armed with this metadata, the CPAN tool chain can hopefully "do the right thing": "make test" run by a human would skip the test, while automated smoke testers would cheerfully run it.

While the details are yet to be fleshed out, I find this approach attractive for three reasons:

  • Easier for test writers. Declarative trumps imperative. For example, the stress test writer does not need to write any code to check for any environment variable/s; instead he/she simply states (declaratively) that this is a long-running stress test.
  • Environment variables are a generally unattractive mechanism (at least to me) because they are an OS-level (potentially insecure) global variable that may not be available in all environments that Perl may want to run in.
  • Using metadata offers interesting extension possibilities in that being a long-running, stress test is just one of many possible test attributes. We may uncover many other useful test attributes if we think about it and once we have a mechanism to describe test metadata.

Update: If you squint, you'll see that the xt/ sub-directory (for "extra" tests) is just a special case of my more general proposal; that is, placing a test in the xt/ sub-directory states (declaratively) that this test has metadata of being an "extra test" (where I guess "extra test" here means "do not run via 'make test' action").


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Re^3: Perl CPAN test metadata
by Anonymous Monk on Aug 23, 2010 at 06:09 UTC
    I don't understand what advantage this has over xt? Anything extra that only author wants to run you can stuff in xt and run with prove

      I'm contemplating the general problem of how best to classify and organize tests. As a specific example, you might classify and organize your tests like this:

      xt/author/pod-coverage.t xt/author/code-coverage.t xt/author/perl-critic.t xt/stress/one-minute-test-run-under-memory-pressure.t xt/stress/one-hour-thread-safety-test.t xt/stress/twenty-four-hour-memory-leak-test.t xt/doco/test-user-doco-1.t xt/rtbug/rt123.t xt/rtbug/rt456.t # ...
      An obvious limitation of such a scheme is that a test cannot simultaneously be in two different categories. For example, where should I place an rtbug test that is also a stress test? And a "stress" test may or may not be "long running" - what if I want to run all stress tests, but not the "long running" ones? Arguably, the short running stress tests should be in t/ and not xt/, so that they are run by "make test". Property-like metadata solves this problem, akin to adding "tags" to your photo collection. Tools like prove could be enhanced to allow you to specify boolean combinations of test metadata that you want to run. Maybe what I'm proposing is YAGNI. It seems I'll need to come up with some specific, compelling use cases before I could hope to gain any support for this idea.

      Update: Note that the xt/ directory layout recommended by Module::Install::ExtraTests is:

      xt/author - run when the tests are being run in an author's working c +opy xt/smoke - run when the dist is being smoked (AUTOMATED_TESTING=1) xt/release - run during "make disttest"

Re^3: Perl CPAN test metadata
by MidLifeXis (Prior) on May 17, 2011 at 13:52 UTC

    I have a few thoughts on this, perhaps unrelated to each other.

    AUTOMATED_TESTING is not just limited to Perl. It is used by many test frameworks to indicate an automated testing environment -- some know how to read other metadata files, some do not.

    Your proposal suggests a method by which the test can communicate to the harness that the test belongs in a certain environment. AUTOMATED_TESTING is a method by which the harness communicates with the test that it is running in a certain environment. Two very different things.

    A single test in a test file (rather than the entire set of tests) may need to be skipped if in an AUTOMATED_TESTING environment. Under your proposal, I would need to split this test (along with any initialization, setup, and other concerns) into another file.

    --MidLifeXis

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