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Re^11: Utter FUD!

by ysth (Canon)
on Oct 27, 2010 at 07:47 UTC ( #867638=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^10: Utter FUD!
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Truth, shmooth. If you understand and disagree with his intent, argue against that; don't play games arguing against his words in ways you know don't apply to his intent.

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Re^12: Utter FUD!
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Oct 27, 2010 at 08:04 UTC
    If you understand and disagree with his intent

    That is exactly what I believe I've been doing. iThreads do not emulate fork.

    An F1 car has many commonalities with a MAC truck. Does that make it an emulation of a MAC truck?


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Re^12: Utter FUD!
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Oct 27, 2010 at 08:14 UTC

    Let's see if I can bring this thread to a meaningful close.

    Would you stand up and describe what happens when you call threads::create() as a "fork emulation" at say, next year's YAPC? In front of Artur Bergman?


    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

      I would certainly say the code for ithreads was written with the goal of emulating fork and that it shares most of the drawbacks of pre-copy-on-write fork - except for being much more inefficient due to perl being forced into the role of OS and not having good tools for that.

      But I don't see how you could possibly intend that to bring this thread to a close. You continue to argue against a blanket statement "threads emulate forks" instead of against either whatever "political" message you think was behind Tye connecting the two or against the specific aspect of fork that Tye was explicitly referring to.
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        I would certainly say

        So the answer to my question is a resounding: No. You would not stand up at YAPC and make the same statement that Tye made.

        So why on earth is your first contribution to this site in 2 1/2 months in support of an indefensible statement made by another monk?

        He certainly doesn't need you to fight his battles.

        But I don't see how you could possibly intend that to bring this thread to a close.

        Simple. Because I thought that putting you the spot of having to repeat that indefensible statement would cause you to pause. It did, but not enough apparently.

        You continue to argue against a blanket statement.

        Yes. Because that is the, obviously patently untrue, statement that was made.

        If Tye wished to qualify it, he's had ample opportunity to do so. I may have my suspicions about his reasoning, but it is not for me to put words in his mouth.

        Just as I have my suspicions as to why you've suddenly popped up out of nowhere to join the argument.

        There -- that ends this thread!


        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

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