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Re^28: What is "aggressive" argument?

by BrowserUk (Pope)
on Nov 14, 2010 at 05:34 UTC ( #871284=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^27: What is "aggressive" argument?
in thread What is "aggressive" argument?

I gave you some guidelines that I felt would help you identify when you are becoming too emotionally involved in a heated discussion -- when e.g. you should just let things go.

And there it is again. You, through some undefined and indefinable mechanism--like water divining--are judging my written words as "too emotional". Despite the fact that I've consistently refuted that judgement with purely logical reasoning. You are, whether you like the characterisation or not, still trying to impose your censorship on my writings.

I have, through that process of unemotional, logical reasoning, reached and expressed my conclusion, that those attempts are wrong. And still you persist in trying to censure me. It appears important to you. And in the process, you are breaking the very rules that you would impose upon me.

I'm sure that by now 80% of the monastery have long since stopped reading. And of the rest, more than half would, had they an anonymous button they could press to make this thread vanish, push it. If one of them replied to one of your nodes in this thread and told you: "I'm bored with your writing, just stop!". Would you?

It all comes down to you wanting me to submit to "your better judgement". You want me to "admit" that you are right, and I am wrong. Despite that this is a subject where no such 'rightness or wrongness' can be attributed outside of majority vote.

Most (not all, but most) of my long, deep, by your judgement: "too emotional" threads. are very clearly underlain by a striaght-forward technical issue. One that can--in the presence of clear demonstration; ie.code--be irrefutably decided one way or the other. And the vast majority of the friction that arises, does so because people--a particular few--refuse to back up their assertions with proof in the form of code. Preferring instead to dissemble and deflect, by attackng the form of the message or the messenger, rather than the content of the message.

So, once again, I refute your right, mandate nor even consensus, to unilateral decide what of my writings are "too emotional" or "too aggressive" or just "too loud". I refute that your judgements on these issues have any basis in definable, measurable fact. And even if they did, I refute your right to make them.


Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
"Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.


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Re^29: What is "aggressive" argument?
by Argel (Prior) on Nov 15, 2010 at 21:57 UTC
    I refute that your judgements on these issues have any basis in definable, measurable fact. And even if they did, I refute your right to make them.
    You do realize that if you refute my right to express my free will then you are in-effect refuting your own right to do the same, right?

    Anyway, so you basically just said you couldn't care less about any credible evidence. Of course, based on past posts, it's a safe bet that you *would* use evidence that supported your position. And unfortunately, that leads me to conclude you have been trolling since your OP. The only thing I cannot figure out is if you are even aware of that. You would probably claim you do not care. But ironically you do care that in your mind you are being unjustly singled out. It's too bad you cannot connect the dots. Paraphrasing what I said earlier, I hope you enjoy your one man crusade against the world.

    Update: Fixed: "could care less" should be "couldn't care less".

    Elda Taluta; Sarks Sark; Ark Arks

      You do realize that if you refute my right to express my free

      Strawman. I never said you couldn't hold an opinion. Only that you had no right to try and enforce it upon me. I emphatically told you my position about 15 levels back--and that was a repeat of an earlier post--but you've continued to repeatedly badger me to accept your position. Which of us is the troll?

      Anyway, so you basically just said you could care less about any credible evidence. Of course, based on past posts, it's a safe bet that you *would* use evidence that supported your position. And unfortunately, that leads me to conclude you have been trolling since your OP. The only thing I cannot figure out is if you are even aware of that. You would probably claim you do not care. But ironically you do care that in your mind you are being unjustly singled out. It's too bad you cannot connect the dots. Paraphrasing what I said earlier, I hope you enjoy your one man crusade against the world.

      Isn't that entire paragraph a personal attack at least as bad as suggesting someone hadn't thought before posting?

      And my crusade, if you care to term it that, isn't against the world. Just half a dozen would-be PM despots.


      Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
      "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
      In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
        With emphasis added by me:
        I refute that your judgements on these issues have any basis in definable, measurable fact. And even if they did, I refute your right to make them.
        -and-
        I never said you couldn't hold an opinion.
        Lets see if you can follow the logic here: You refute my my right to make a judgment. But a judgment is an opinion. Ergo, you refute my right to form an opinion!! Simple as that!

        So far no one has really come to your defense, and that's because it is well known that you do resort to flamewar style tactics. Now, you can refuse to believe that or consider that perfectly acceptable behavior and then decry how you are unjustly singled out by "half a dozen would-be PM despots." Or you could do a reality check and actually seriously consider whether these so-called would-be despots might actually have a point. But it's clear that will never happen. And because you refuse to consider that possibility, you are a troll who doesn't even realize that he is one! It's sad really. And that's why you are on the proverbial one man crusade vs. the world.

        Elda Taluta; Sarks Sark; Ark Arks

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