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Re^2: Site facelift?

by wazoox (Prior)
on Nov 18, 2010 at 12:33 UTC ( #872218=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Site facelift?
in thread Site facelift?

I've been here for quite a long time, and frankly, I never thought that perlmonks usability was that great; it's slow, the default theme is a pain for the eye; then it misses things that people consider a given now, like a real time preview of your posts, support for MarkDown-style formatting... it looks like it isn't even properly indexed by search engines, and OK, SuperSearch was pretty cool the year before google went out, but nowadays it feels really painfully complex, and did I mention it's slow as molasses swimming in syrup? Ah yeah.

perl.com perldoc, and many other perl sites were nicely rehauled recently. I think it's largely past time for perlmonks too.


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Re^3: Site facelift?
by moritz (Cardinal) on Nov 18, 2010 at 12:42 UTC
    perl.com perldoc, and many other perl sites were nicely rehauled recently.

    IMHO perl.org looks better than before, but I still haven't figured out what that annoying, fixed toolbar on top of the perldoc site is supposed to do for me. I can't remember using it a single time, and yet it eats up a sizable portion of my screen, and is annoying by not behaving like the rest of the site.

    Which is exactly what I meant with not sacrificing usabilty for a new UI.

    Yes, perlmonks is slow. I've never denied it, and it sucks. If somebody changes that substantially and with long lasting effort, I'll buy them a beer at the next YAPC we both attend. Every effort on performance is very welcome.

    Yes, a modern UI would be nice. If it doesn't introduce annoying stuff just to be modern.

      OT, but there is a preference on perldoc.perl.org to make the moving toolbar fixed (I use it that way).

      How to make perldoc.perl.org resizable too!

      Stylish CSS overrides: It mangles some of the graphics since the last tweaks changed things, but still makes the site usable (more horizontal room, more vertical room, dynamic width, less pointless pictures) and with no floaty bar covering things.

      I'll take functional over pretty any day, but it is still sad that perldoc has gone from "functional and nice" to "functional or pretty".

Re^3: Site facelift?
by JavaFan (Canon) on Nov 18, 2010 at 13:24 UTC
    perl.com perldoc, and many other perl sites were nicely rehauled recently
    If I go to perldoc.org, I see Last updated on 13 August 2009. Not a sign of being "recently rehauled". Furthermore, the homepage also says The code generating this web site is based on the code that was generating perldoc.perl.org as it was released by Jon Allen on 24th December 2008. An indication it was worked on for half a year, then abandoned.

    On top of that, perldoc proundly presents "Perl version 5.8.8 documentation". 5.8.8 was released January 2006. Perl has seen 6 releases, of which 2 major, since.

    But hey, if that works, great! All we need to do overhaul perlmonks, delete the last 4 years of articles, remove the ability to post new content, and Perl will eat PHP before Christmas.

      www.perldoc.org uses some old perldoc.perl.org version. Anyway, even the current 2008/2009 look of perldoc.org is better than the 1996 default theme of perlmonks. I don't blame anyone; I'm happy with perlmonks as is, but I want my favorite website to attract new fans, and right now it's nigh to impossible.
        but I want my favorite website to attract new fans, and right now it's nigh to impossible.

        Is it really? Are looks really the cause? How do you know?

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