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Re^2: I know I'm not alone in this

by Logicus
on Oct 02, 2011 at 12:56 UTC ( #929144=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


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Why shouldn't I bash, as far as I can see that's what everyone else around here does.

At first it was like, "were not interested at all and were not going to help you because your obviously too much of a noob to be worth any of our high and mighty time". And now it's "were not interested at all and were not going to help you because your a loud mouth copy cat, and bashing is a right reserved only for us and not you because your a waif, a stray a useless delusional retard and we don't like you or your stuff so begone.

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Re^3: I know I'm not alone in this
by dreadpiratepeter (Priest) on Oct 02, 2011 at 13:23 UTC

    No, in both cases you were given constructive criticism which you took as condemnation. And frankly, you should be happy that anyone even looked at those posts as, for the most part they were rambling and incoherent, without any real code or even a simple description of what you were trying to accomplish.

    In addition, as soon anyone as anyone criticized your posts, you launched into insults, profanity, ad hominum attacks and disjointed philippics.

    In short, you brought all your problems on yourself. The Perlmonks are helpful to a fault; but not to whiny, self-absorbed, abusive fools.

    At this point I can't decide whether you are a really good troll, or a really sad nut-job. Either way, you seem to just want attention, and like a dog or a toddler, bad attention is better than none at all. This is the last attention you will get from me and I urge the rest of the monastery to follow suit.

    Finally, as you have been told over and over, if you really believe in your templating system then package it up and put it on CPAN. If it is really good then people will use it. The cream floats to the top. That is why Moose, Catalyst, Dancer and Template Toolkit (just to name a few) are widely used. They provide a solution to people's problems, so people use them.



    -pete
    "Worry is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn't get you anywhere."

      YOU DPP... I remember you...

      No, in both cases you were given constructive criticism which you took as condemnation.

      That is complete and total bollocks, both 4 years ago when I first found this site, and recently when I found the courage to return here.

      And frankly, you should be happy that anyone even looked at those posts as, for the most part they were rambling and incoherent, without any real code or even a simple description of what you were trying to accomplish.

      I'm SOOOOOO sorry I didn't have a textbook perfect case already lined up to spoon feed you with, and the whole less than 80kb of code is too much for you to glance at and give useful information upon, because, be honest, that's all you actually do isn't it? The moment a problem requires more than a superficial look, the moment it strays outside of your comfort zone of previously established knowledge, you resort to twisting the truth as per your above comment rather than dealing with it... because your so big and important it's just not worth your time right?

      In addition, as soon anyone as anyone criticized your posts, you launched into insults, profanity, ad hominum attacks and disjointed philippics.

      That is another god-dammned barefaced LIE. Does the situation really look like that to you, or are you doing this on purpose? And what the hell does your ameture psychological shpeel have anything at all to do with perl?

      In short, you brought all your problems on yourself. The Perlmonks are helpful to a fault; but not to whiny, self-absorbed, abusive fools.

      I agree to a point that I brought my own problems on myself, yes I walked out of college and made various other mistakes as a youth and left myself somewhere unemployable between a website designer and a perl programmer... I get it, I need professional guidance on how to improve my software... why the hell do you think I am here at all? And as for your repeated ameture psychological assertion that I am a self-obsessed whiny fool, how about you take your opinion on my personal character and shove it up your arse unless or until you have any form of qualification to make such assertions, for instance getting a psychology degree, or I dunno... actually meeting me and thereby having some sort of basis in fact and reality before opening your gob.

      At this point I can't decide whether you are a really good troll, or a really sad nut-job. Either way, you seem to just want attention, and like a dog or a toddler, bad attention is better than none at all. This is the last attention you will get from me and I urge the rest of the monastery to follow suit.

      How about neither? How about a frustrated unemployed struggling young programmer, witnessing a whole bunch of high and mighty people such as your self laughing at my position and problems as I struggle on daily. And once again, please take your armchair psychology and shove it up your self-righteous know it all arse... your attention is neither requested, required or cared for as you have clearly demonstrated you have absolutely nothing to say of any worth other than to amuse yourself with your pet psychology hobby.

      Finally, as you have been told over and over, if you really believe in your templating system then package it up and put it on CPAN.

      That is exactly what I want to do, but the implementation is still far to ameture, I'm a brainless moron nooby and I know that. Notice I said implementation rather than the idea itself, the two are not the same thing as I have several different implementations all of which suffer from the exact same performance problem, the very same problem I have been trying to solve for the last 4 years. Aside from that there is nothing else I want to change about it, because believe you me, if the performance wasn't an issue, then I would have no questions to ask because everything else is a complete breeze.

      If it is really good then people will use it.

      I don't care how many people use it, if people want to use it they can and I don't want anything, but if no one wants to use it again it doesn't matter because I do want to use it and I need it to be fast because I have a very limited server budget.

      The cream floats to the top.

      Well since armchair psychology seems such a popular topic on this PERL website, let me give you my theory; your projecting your lust for success and brilliance onto me, as evidenced by the fact that you just mentioned cream floating to the "top". I have no such ambition, I couldn't care a less where on the dog pile my code is, as long as it works, which it does, and it's efficient which it isn't which is why I continue to subject myself to listening to your bullshit since when I am done reading your crap, sometimes, occasionally, there are other comments present which give actual useful information.

      That is why Moose, Catalyst, Dancer and Template Toolkit (just to name a few) are widely used. They provide a solution to people's problems, so people use them.

      Well whoop-dee-doo, it's that just fucking fantastic? I am aware of all those names and roughly what all of them do, but that still doesn't help me and if you stopped for a minute from your abusive tirade of semi-intellectual sounding psychological bullshit spheeling you would know why.

      And as for ignoring me, PLEASE DO, infact DPP, don't ever talk to me again, I don't like you, I don't want to know you, and I couldn't give a damn what you have to say.

        meIn addition, as soon anyone as anyone criticized your posts, you launched into insults, profanity, ad hominum attacks and disjointed philippics.
        logicusThat is another god-dammned barefaced LIE. Does the situation really look like that to you, or are you doing this on purpose? And what the hell does your ameture psychological shpeel have anything at all to do with perl?

        Really? here is a random sampling of things said by you on this forum (I apologize for the profanity, Logicus's words, not mine):

        • "Take your humble pie, and insert it in your meatspace waste fuel ejection pipe. Good day."
        • "I was joking dickhead."
        • "Yeh, which I'd start by head-butting the arrogant creepy cunt in the face..."
        • "I have no particular aim in mind, just responding to each response you make wondering when your going to get bored and shut the **** up."
        • "Nah, I just wondered why you feel the need to spew such spurious crap comments. Maybe your just a wanker, who knows."
        • "Hey, FUCKHEAD, why don't you keep your sanctimonious crap to yourself already?"

        And those are just the ones with profanity, I didn't even post the tin-foil hat rants.

        These are not as telling as the hate and profanity-laced tirades that got you banned from chat any number of times, but they don't show up in the record.

        Revisionist history is harder when you leave a permanent record



        -pete
        "Worry is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn't get you anywhere."
Re^3: I know I'm not alone in this
by CountZero (Bishop) on Oct 02, 2011 at 12:59 UTC
    Why shouldn't I bash, as far as I can see that's what everyone else around here does.
    That is not my experience. I find Perlmonks one of the most friendly communities on the Internet.

    CountZero

    A program should be light and agile, its subroutines connected like a string of pearls. The spirit and intent of the program should be retained throughout. There should be neither too little or too much, neither needless loops nor useless variables, neither lack of structure nor overwhelming rigidity." - The Tao of Programming, 4.1 - Geoffrey James

      I find there is a distinct and proportional relationship between the quality of response and how mainstream the question posed actually is. For instance, if I post a question about Plack the response is fruitful and useful and what you would expect from a friendly bunch of folks who share the common love of perl. On the other hand if the question is not mainstream, people around here get NASTY. To quote one user from a while back (can't remember the username), "people don't pull any punches around here". As in... if your ideas or problems are not popular ideas or problems, then you face a crowd of obnoxious, self-righteous idealogical zealots who think nothing at all of trying to dig apart your very psychology rather than actually paying any attention to the code and the solution to the problem you have.

      If it wasn't for the love of perl that is in me, I could very well say sod it, and go get a job doing PHP, at least then I could afford to sort my life out instead of sitting day after day fighting to succeed in a climate absolute intolerance and prejudice.

        Really? How mainstream do you think XML::Rules is? Let's see ... it's yet another XML parser so I was reinventing a wheel. It's very unlike SAX, DOM or any other XML technology people are used to. I did and do think it's a neat solution to the problem of extracting data out of XML, actually the neatest there is for all except very few cases. A great opportunity for the "obnoxious, self-righteous idealogical zealots", rigth?

        Yet ... there was no bashing, no flamewar, no hard feelings ... Sure, there were a few "erm ... what's this good for?" or "I don't get how this is supposed to work" or even "you should use SAX because it's the standard" posts, but that's to be expected! Sure, I could have started jumping up and down and screaming XML::Rules is the best thing since the invention of fire, but why?

        Jenda
        Enoch was right!
        Enjoy the last years of Rome.

Re^3: I know I'm not alone in this
by moritz (Cardinal) on Oct 02, 2011 at 20:07 UTC
      A village which fails to integrate its youth soon becomes a ghost town. I want nothing unreasonable, and once I have it I will do whatever I can to make sure whoever comes after me doesn't have to go through all crap I've been through since deciding to make Perl my language. There is a reason why so many people roll their own templating systems or go to great lengths to build reusable application environements, it's because as a massive diffused whole, there is no clear and straight forward path for new comers. I'm all for TIMTOWTDI, but I also recognise, as you would well too, that the flipside of the TIMTOWTDI is that over time people will explore Every Way To Do It, and newcomers who are not familiar with the resulting forest of code can easily become completely lost within it and then run back home to PHP or someother language which doesn't require a degree of insanity to work with.

        Sometimes it's better to eject, than to integrate. I ain't gonna give examples from the outside world as that would not only be off topic, but also tends to be quite a contagious topic, but I bet even you know of cases when the "village" did all it could to integrate only to receive violence from the "youth" that took the gifts but refused to integrate.

        Jenda
        Enoch was right!
        Enjoy the last years of Rome.

        And how is that related to your insulting plea for assistance?

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