Re: computational efficiency by MidLifeXis (Monsignor) on Oct 04, 2011 at 18:09 UTC 
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Re: computational efficiency by BrowserUk (Pope) on Oct 04, 2011 at 18:12 UTC 
cmpthese 1, {
a=>q[
$sine = rand( 2 )  1;
$cosine = sqrt( 1  $sine**2 );
],
b=>q[
$angle = rand( 2 *3.14159 );
$sine = sin( $angle );
$cosine = cos( $angle );
],
};;
Rate a b
a 1614300/s  28%
b 2246655/s 39% 
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Re: computational efficiency by Perlbotics (Abbot) on Oct 04, 2011 at 18:15 UTC 
If you have got a limited set of angles  or it is allowed to quantise them  I would suggest to cache the computed values or use a precomputed table of all sines/cosines. E.g. 0.00359.99 results in a table holding 72000 values  quite feasible.
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Re: computational efficiency by Lotus1 (Chaplain) on Oct 04, 2011 at 18:51 UTC 
What is the application? Do you need a uniform distribution of angles? of points on a circle? of points on a sphere?
Picking random sine values won't give you a uniform distribution of values for the angles. So for example, if you plot the points on a circle for the randomly chosen sine values then you end up with a higher density of points at certain points along the circumference.
Probably overkill for your application but I did something similar years ago for picking points on the surface of a sphere and this article was helpful. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SpherePointPicking.html
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I've read the article a couple of times by now. Let me comment on that. I've been planning to randomize my rotation subroutine by doing three subsequent arbitrary rotations about each axis in cartesian space, i.e. arbitrary rotation with independent randomization for each axis x, y and z. These however have to be randomized by two randomization processes each, as the sign of the cosine corresponding to the randomized sine has to randomized, too (if I'm not mistaken here, cf. my reply to moritz comment on correctness). Hence, my (thanks to your comments) improved idea would involve six randomizations for each arbitrary rotation, while the method posted on wolfram would involve only two (cf. equations 9 to 11 in the article), correct?
What I'm asking myself right now is the following: Moritz is absolutely correct, as a single rotation about one axis (which was my original question) results in omitting half of the angles, consequently incompleteness and bias towards rotation angles below 180°. Would this still be true, if the routine is applied about each axis xyz? So, if Marsaglia (1972) uses two randomizations to produce an arbitrary point in three dimensional space in the polar coordinate system, would three randomizations in cartesian space still result in incompleteness? I think so, because equations 13 to 15 imply, that at least four randomizations are needed in cartesian space... ?
P.S.: MidLifeXis: Thank you, I found use Benchmark qw(:all) ;on http://perldoc.perl.org/Benchmark.html
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The approach I like for this problem is what Perlbotics suggested. Make a table. I suggest a hash of arrays where the keys are angles and each value is an array of sin and cos values. Then you choose a random angle (0360) and get both sin and cos from a fast hash with the negative signs included. This takes care of all four quadrands.
Do this for each axis of rotation as you proposed. The article I posted was about picking uniformly distributed points on the surface of a sphere which I believe is more difficult than your problem. The only point I was making with my previous post is that if you pick random sine values the corresponding angles are not uniformly distributed. I'm not sure about proving this approach of three rotations but it seems good to me. I'll think about it more and maybe I'll come up with a proof.
use warnings;
use strict;
my $ref_trig = make_trigtable();
print "\nangle sine cosine\n";
foreach (1..15) {
my $angle = sprintf "%.1f", rand(3600)/10;
printf "%5.1f %8.5f %8.5f\n", $angle, $ref_trig>{$angle}[0], $ref
+_trig>{$angle}[0];
}
sub make_trigtable {
use constant PI => 4 * atan2(1, 1);
use constant DEG_TO_RAD => PI / 180;
my %trig;
foreach (0..3600) {
my $angle = sprintf "%.1f", $_/10;
$trig{$angle}=[sin $angle * DEG_TO_RAD, cos $angle * DEG_TO_RA
+D];
}
return \%trig;
}
__END__
C:\perlmonks>perl sinhash.pl
angle sine cosine
216.2 0.59061 0.59061
268.6 0.99970 0.99970
166.8 0.22835 0.22835
276.8 0.99297 0.99297
81.6 0.98927 0.98927
355.4 0.08020 0.08020
11.9 0.20620 0.20620
82.3 0.99098 0.99098
70.1 0.94029 0.94029
173.1 0.12014 0.12014
14.5 0.25038 0.25038
251.3 0.94721 0.94721
161.6 0.31565 0.31565
117.7 0.88539 0.88539
319.7 0.64679 0.64679
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Re: computational efficiency by zentara (Archbishop) on Oct 05, 2011 at 09:52 UTC 
I'll have to do that a couple of hundred times to a couple of hundred thousand times, so right now I'm thinking of how to optimize the code.You might want to look at PDL, or make a custom Inline::C program to do the calculations. PDL uses very fast Fortran routines to do it's math. Plain Perl's math is slowed down by the overhead it uses on maintaining variable type, so it is not best for computational efficiency.
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Re: computational efficiency by moritz (Cardinal) on Oct 05, 2011 at 10:01 UTC 
First focus on which one is correct. $cosine = sqrt(1  $sine**2) will only give you nonnegative $cosine values, so that solution will only cover 2 of four possible quandrants.
In cases involving random numbers, it helps to know the theory of how probability density functions are transformed; if you don't want to learn the theory, at least create a few hundred or thousand random points with each method you consider, and plot them in some way  either in a histogram, or in a density plot or so. That way you have a chance to see if the resulting distribution is what you want.
MJD #11963, It's easy to get the *wrong* answer in O(1) time.
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Re: computational efficiency by roboticus (Canon) on Oct 05, 2011 at 11:04 UTC 
thelycaeum:
Are you even sure it's a problem? You're talking about a couple hundred thousand times, but BrowserUk's benchmark shows that even the slower one is capable of well over a million per second. I'd suggest that if your code is running too slowly, profile it and see which parts take enough time to be worth optimizing. After all, if you can generate a million random sin/cos pairs in a second with the slow method, and need only a few hundred thousand per run, you can't even shave a second off your runtime even if your new version takes *no time at all*.
...roboticus
When your only tool is a hammer, all problems look like your thumb.
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Re: computational efficiency by hardburn (Abbot) on Oct 05, 2011 at 12:57 UTC 
Do you have 3D acceleration hardware available? Rotating coordinates are something GPUs will be very good at. Just a matter of making the right OpenGL incantations.
"There is no shame in being selftaught, only in not trying to learn in the first place."  Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.
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Re: computational efficiency by Old_Gray_Bear (Bishop) on Oct 05, 2011 at 14:37 UTC 
The three steps to writing Good Code:
 Make it run
 Make it run right
 Make it run fast
Keep your notes about optimization around for when you get to the third step. (No, I don't remember who said it; probably Kernigan.)
Update  fixed typo

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OGB
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First of all, thanks for all of your replies.
BrowserUK: I'll try that one, I think it's exactly the benchmark code I was looking for.
Perlbotics: Quantizing the angles seems to be a good idea. At first glance, the following problem arises in my mind: To achieve random 3D rotation, I have to apply rotations around the x,y and z axis. Do you think I could achieve a random probability distribution by simply randomizing the rotation axis and walking through the quantized angles with a foreach loop?
Lotus1 & moritz: Thanks moritz, I thought about that shortly after the post. I could get rid of that problem by randomizing the sign of the cosine... shouldn't I? I'll think about that and read the article lotus posted, I don't understand it yet.
zentara: Actually, I intend to learn how to use PDL by writing that program. However, I wanted to get started by writing a backbone in Perl and only solve the more sophisticated problems with PDL. I was having some problems with the notation of complex values in the PDL:FFTW package before, therefore I was wondering what I could program in Perl efficiently and what not.
roboticus: Very good point, I'll do some analysis on the probability distribution for both methods using BrowserUK's code and I'll work on the point moritz made about the two vs. four quadrants.
hardburn: I've messing around with POGL a bit, but I think it's too much for me... yet ;)
Old_Gray_Bear: Thanks, I don't have much programming experience and so I was looking for some hints on how to plan this project.
Thanks again for all of these great comments :)
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