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in thread Win32::SerialPort v. New computers
one of my pumps spins for a fraction of a second. This does not happen with the native RS-232 serial port. I fear the win32 device may have been infected with a certain virus.
Virus: Unlikely.
I think the adapter chip emits some noise on power-up. The RS-232 to RS-458 converter converts that noise to properly formated signal. And finally, the process control system misinterprets that as pump start / pump stop commands. The on-board RS232 COM port probably generates less noise, or has some extra hardware to keep the output lines on a sane level until the chip has reached stable conditions.
Note that USB ports can be powered off by software. This is not implemented in all USB ports, but in some of them. If you connect to an on-board port, try a different port. If you connect to an add-on card, try an on-board port. If you connect to a hub, try connecting directly to the computer. If not, try going through a hub. Look at the Windows device property pages. Some Windows versions can automatically shut down unused ports to save energy. Disable that feature, if enabled.
Other ideas:
- Try a different USB-to-RS232 adapter from a different vendor, preferably based on a different chip. The idea is to find an adapter that emits less or no noise, or at least different noise that is ignored by the RS-485 device.
- Try a different bit rate on the RS-485 device so that the noise is interpreted differently (i.e. as junk that is to be ignored).
- Try a different communication protocol that is less prone to line noise.
- Try adding a little load to the RS-232 lines, so that low-voltage noise is attenuated to a level that is ignored by the RS232 to RS485 converter. A typical "blink box" with dual-colored LEDs and resistors between the various signal lines and GND may be sufficient. Else, try adding a resistor between each used RS232 signal line and GND, about 1kΩ to 10kΩ (0.25 W) should be sufficient. Ceramic capacitors of about 100 nF / 35 V may also help, but they may disturb communication at high bitrates.
- Do you have a ground loop, injecting unwanted noise into the RS232 connection? PC case, PC GND, USB GND and thus RS232 GND are all connected to PE, and you should not change that, for your own safety. The RS485 device is probably also connected to PE, and so is its GND line, and you should not change that, too. Try disconnecting the GND line between RS485 device and RS232-to-RS485 converter to break the loop; RS485 does not need GND. If available, replace the RS232-to-RS485 converter with a galvanically isolated one.
UPDATE:
There is a standard for detecting devices connected to the COM ports. It toggles the handshake lines several times and waits for the device to identify itself by toggling other handshake lines and / or sending some characters at 1200-7N1. Windows seems to use this standard. The RS232-to-RS485 converter does not convert the handshake lines, simply because RS485 does not have handshake lines. How it responds to Windows toggling the handshake lines is not defined. If Windows is convinced that it has found a device because of the handshake lines response, it may send some identification commands to the RS485 device, something like ATI or AT+FCLASS for a modem. That bytes may switch on and off your pump, reliably and every time Windows decides it is time to test for a new PnP serial device.
Alexander
Today I will gladly share my knowledge and experience, for there are no sweeter words than "I told you so". ;-)
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Re^8: Win32::SerialPort v. New computers
by hennesse (Beadle) on Nov 10, 2011 at 17:47 UTC | |
by Anonymous Monk on Nov 10, 2011 at 22:26 UTC |