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Re^5: Hockey Sticks

by chromatic (Archbishop)
on Jan 17, 2012 at 20:25 UTC ( #948406=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^4: Hockey Sticks
in thread Hockey Sticks

It seems you did not understand why I inserted the "Late, fat, and ugly" piece above.

Firefox eventually shipped working software that people actually use. Until Perl 6 achieves the same thing, I don't take the comparison as evidence of the historical inevitability that Perl 6 must succeed because another long running project eventually succeeded. (I think a better comparison is E17.)

As for your curiously chosen word "evidence", until the point at which any Perl 6 implementation reaches any degree of usability as a product, I reserve the right to be dubious in public and in private at every press release which trumpets loudly that eschaton is immanent. I've helped produce a few of those press releases in the past decade, I've helped produce a chunk of the code, and I even made a very testable prediction about how long the nom rewrite would take back in December 2010 and January 2011 (and it turns out I was right); I think I've earned the right to be skeptical.


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Re^6: Hockey Sticks
by raiph (Friar) on Jan 17, 2012 at 22:03 UTC
    Firefox eventually shipped working software that people actually use.
    And what is one left to make of the ill-informed stories written about it like "Late, fat, and ugly"?
    I reserve the right to be dubious in public and in private at every press release which trumpets loudly that eschaton is immanent.
    "Press release"? "Eschaton is immanent"?!? (Do you know what "immanent" means? I think Buckley's turning over.)

    How is me posting on PerlMonks, in the section designated for people to "share opinions on ... Perl 6 development", a press release? How is it loudly trumpeting anything? You say I'm exaggerating?

    I think I've earned the right to be skeptical.
    I'm all for skepticism. I don't think anyone has to earn the right to it (I accept that you apparently do). But that doesn't mean you have to voice your skepticism, and it doesn't excuse you repeating, in unchanging, assertive, and extreme language, points that have already been reasonably addressed, which it's clear you have at least read (even if you haven't understood them).
      Ever hear of projection?

      Stay classy, #perl6. The strategy of telling potential users that they're wrong for what they're asking for will surely someday work.

        Stay classy, #perl6. The strategy of telling potential users that they're wrong for what they're asking for will surely someday work.
        I am not #perl6. I've posted on there a handful of times.

        I have NOT said you are wrong to effectively ask Perl 6 friends to avoid posting about Perl 6 at Perl Monks until it's achieved a level of usability and usefulness that you pronounce acceptable. I have tried to encourage you to see its folly, and to consider your career 5 years from now.

        I deleted the "Ever hear of projection?" phrase a few seconds after I posted it (sorry you caught it) but I stand by it; do you not see how saying "press release which trumpets loudly that eschaton is immanent" is both claiming exaggeration on my part and an exaggeration of what this Meditation really is?

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