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Re: Re: Re: Re: Omigawd! Surprised by Reality! (WHO CARES???)

by sierrathedog04 (Hermit)
on Jul 14, 2001 at 00:42 UTC ( #96584=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re: Re: Re: Omigawd! Surprised by Reality! (WHO CARES???)
in thread Omigawd! Surprised by Reality!

In a gender-myopic society like the US, maybe. On the Net, when I have no clue (or desire for such a clue) as to the genders of people around me ... no. It's not reasonable.
Well, I live in the "gender-myopic" US, so to me it was reasonable to think that 'Abigail' was a woman. I don't live on the Net. The Net is not a place. It is a protocol. I live in the US.
I would hope you also view merlyn, tye, and japhy (to name a few) as role models as well!
Not to mention RMS and Linus and Bill Joy and... However, RMS and Linus at least were very young and male when they first achieved great success as hackers. So RMS and Linus are not role models on how to avoid internalizing the stereotype of the young male hacker. And neither is 'Abigail' no matter what other areas she may be able to provide a role model for.
There is too much of a victim-overcomes-strife mentality in the USA (and Europe) today. Just do your best and succeed! Whatever happened to that?!?
Okay. So you object to having a role model who shows you how to overcome strife. So what? Why should I be limited by your objections? If I wish to view female hackers as role models who defeated the myth of the young male hacker, then tough. You don't have to agree with me.
What I'm saying, sierrathedog04, is this - you have said "Aw, shucks. <Name> isn't a member of <Group>, so they aren't a role model." Put like that, it doesn't sound so great, does it?
No it doesn't. But you said it, not me. I merely said that excellent female hackers are role models in defeating the myth of the young male hacker. What you choose to say is your problem, not mine.
Yes. "her". Abigail is female, irregardless of the typist's plumbing.
As I have said, when I started this thread I had no idea that 'Abigail' was a popular member of the Perl community whose manner of addressing lifestyle issues won her great support. I thought 'Abigail' was some guy fooling around on the web with a female pseudonym.
Just think about it this way - is her code any worse cause the person typing is male? Is her knowledge any less cause the person typing is male?
Time out. Do you realize that I am a male? Have you jumped so far overboard that you are now accusing me of prejudice against males?
you're a pitier.
I suspect that it is you who feel the pity, for the person you pretend to defend.
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The Myth of the Male Hacker
by dragonchild (Archbishop) on Jul 16, 2001 at 16:27 UTC
    Well, I live in the "gender-myopic" US, so to me it was reasonable to think that 'Abigail' was a woman. I don't live on the Net. The Net is not a place. It is a protocol. I live in the US.

    The Net is a place. It is a world, with many areas to explore. One such area is PerlMonks. Another is the Yahoo portal. There is a protocol that underlies the Net, in the same fashion that the laws of physics form a protocol that underlies the "Real World". That doesn't make the Net, and what happens on it, any less real.

    Do you realize that I am a male?

    No, I don't know that you're male. It doesn't matter to me what gender you are. I have always taken your posts and evaluated each post solely in the light of your previous posts. Nothing more.

    ... the myth of the young male hacker.

    Let's address this for a moment. Most programmers I know, who are in the business, don't have a male hacker myth, especially not those who work primarily in Perl. I have no idea what the people who create Perl think, but I know about the people I come across. I've worked with Perl written by men and Perl written by women. In every case, I've preferred the code written by someone intelligent and experienced, irregardless of gender. In some cases, the author was male, in some female. And, in talking to my colleagues (who are consultants, like me, in several areas of the USA), the same holds true.

    The "male hacker" is a wonderful literary device. It does hold true, to some degree, solely due to the fact that men are encouraged over women to enter engineering fields. But, nowhere near the level that many people think it's true.

    In addition, the "male hacker" is generally a piss-poor programmer. Most hacked code tends to be poorly formatted, with no comments, and is very difficult to extend. I personally don't ever want to work with hacked code, unless I know the hacker.

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[stonecolddevin]: erix thanks mate
[stonecolddevin]: also lol @ "I stomped a crap"
[stonecolddevin]: Disciplus i was just amazed he's returned after the thorough stomp that BrowserUk and several other monks gave him for spreading crap info
[stonecolddevin]: i will admit i find the responses to his threads incredibly entertaining
[stonecolddevin]: erix what is this wizardy? there's no sound for me :-(
[stevieb]: he comes and goes every few years.
[erix]: stonecolddevin: oh? Don't know, it works for me
[Sinistral]: stonecolddevin / stevieb - would 'he' in this context (looked at last 50 lines and didn't see discussion) be a certain solar timepiece user?

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