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Re: Re: Re: Omigawd! Surprised by Reality! (WHO CARES???)
in thread Omigawd! Surprised by Reality!
In a gender-myopic society like the US, maybe. On the Net, when I have no clue (or desire for such a clue) as to the genders of people around me ... no. It's not reasonable.
Well, I live in the "gender-myopic" US, so to me it was reasonable to think that 'Abigail' was a woman. I don't live on the Net. The Net is not a place. It is a protocol. I live in the US.
I would hope you also view merlyn, tye, and japhy (to name a few) as role models as well!
Not to mention RMS and Linus and Bill Joy and... However, RMS and Linus at least were very young and male when they first achieved great success as hackers. So RMS and Linus are not role models on how to avoid internalizing the stereotype of the young male hacker. And neither is 'Abigail' no matter what other areas she may be able to provide a role model for.
There is too much of a victim-overcomes-strife mentality in the USA (and Europe) today. Just do your best and succeed! Whatever happened to that?!?
Okay. So you object to having a role model who shows you how to overcome strife. So what? Why should I be limited by your objections? If I wish to view female hackers as role models who defeated the myth of the young male hacker, then tough. You don't have to agree with me.
What I'm saying, sierrathedog04, is this - you have said "Aw, shucks. <Name> isn't a member of <Group>, so they aren't a role model." Put like that, it doesn't sound so great, does it?
No it doesn't. But you said it, not me. I merely said that excellent female hackers are role models in defeating the myth of the young male hacker. What you choose to say is your problem, not mine.
Yes. "her". Abigail is female, irregardless of the typist's plumbing.
As I have said, when I started this thread I had no idea that 'Abigail' was a popular member of the Perl community whose manner of addressing lifestyle issues won her great support. I thought 'Abigail' was some guy fooling around on the web with a female pseudonym.
Just think about it this way - is her code any worse cause the person typing is male? Is her knowledge any less cause the person typing is male?
Time out. Do you realize that I am a male? Have you jumped so far overboard that you are now accusing me of prejudice against males?
you're a pitier.
I suspect that it is you who feel the pity, for the person you pretend to defend.