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Re^3: Perl 6: Managing breakages across Rakudo versions

by Anonymous Monk
on Jul 18, 2012 at 04:55 UTC ( #982368=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^2: Perl 6: Managing breakages across Rakudo versions
in thread Perl 6: Managing breakages across Rakudo Star versions

Dear Lord!!!

You've taken Larry's comment totally out of context, I don't think he means there will be a compiler product two or three years from now. He is just saying there are somethings that need to be done in an year or two to make Perl 6 productized in the future

Secondly for a minute I cannot imagine any serious person using a non backwards compatible language in production settings. I would seriously doubt credibility of such a business. I think you are referring to IRC bots and Rosetta code wiki submitters, which in case their use cases hardly count for production settings.

Rakudo doesn't have serious users. Nor people who wish to learn it to do useful stuff. That is why backwards compatible release is so important, to bring that seriousness back.

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Re^4: Perl 6: Managing breakages across Rakudo versions
by raiph (Chaplain) on Jul 18, 2012 at 22:48 UTC


    Here's the original comment.

    Rakudo doesn't have serious users. Nor people who wish to learn it to do useful stuff.

    So now I know you aren't actually closely following Perl 6 or don't hold yourself to high standards of accuracy in what you write. I acknowledge the likes of sirrobert (to pick a recent example) are few and far between, and that he's as likely to fail as he is to succeed, but having so few users is not the same as having none. Imo a big part of the reason Perl 6 has so few users is that it has a bad reputation that is reinforced by folk such as yourself who are not actually closely following the project yet choose to write untrue negative stuff about the project as if it were fact.

      Closely following???

      Doesn't that sort of prove my point? I don't closely follow core development of any software that I use. Nor does any body who minds his productivity even a little bit. Users use more than dozen pieces of software everyday. Nobody has the kind of luxury and time to afford spending following every small IRC ping going in a channel and then spend hours pondering what that's likely to mean.

        I agree that most users don't want to use an alpha, beta, or even 1.0 product. These users should stay well clear of Perl 6 until it's much more mature.

        I considered your words about Perl 6 users damaging to Perl so I appreciate your acknowledgement that you weren't speaking from a position of first hand knowledge and would like to assure you you were wrong.

        Lastly, I'm curious to know what other context you have that led you to your conclusion about the timeframe for productizing Perl 6. In contrast to you I've been closely following Perl 6 since 2000. I was in channel when Larry said "I think this is one of the things we need to do to productize Perl 6 over the next year or two". I'm confident he meant the plain interpretation of what he said.

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