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Default Dropdown Value
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by choroba
on Oct 17, 2014 at 03:35
    Recently, I was refactoring a CGI script at work. It contained a subroutine used to determine the default value for a dropdown list:
    sub DefaultHashValue { my %h = @_; my %r = reverse %h; my @k = sort values %h; return $r{ $k[0] } }

    Neat and short, I thought. But wait, what exactly does it do? We pick up the asciibetically first value and find the corresponding key. It took me some time to understand it (yes, I'm tough). Could this code be written in a more speaking way?

    I'd probably write it differently:

    sub sort_keys { my %h = @_; my @s = sort { $h{$a} cmp $h{$b} } keys %h; return $s[0] }

    Our dropdowns vary in size from 2 elements to several hundreds. For pure curiosity (there were no speed problems), I benchmarked the solutions (see below). Interestingly, for lists over 50 elements, the original solution was faster.

    It wasn't so hard to come with a winner. It's still readable, too:

    sub min { my %h = @_; my $min = (keys %h)[0]; $h{$_} lt $h{$min} and $min = $_ for keys %h; return $min }

    Which solution would you use and why? Or, would you use something else? Why? (I stayed with the original).

    For the interested, the full testing and benchmarking code:

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How to Contribute to Perl+Science
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by PerlSufi
on Oct 14, 2014 at 11:37
    Hello Monks,
    After only some minor experience solving Bio Informatics problems using perl, I was wondering how I could contribute to Bio Informatics or science in general with perl.
    Aside from giving a talk about perl and BioInformatics at my local perlmonger's, I am still eager to contribute. I have written small modules that export subs to do basic things like translate RNA strings to protein.
    However, I have not released these to CPAN because CPAN has BioPerl- which may do these things already. From the view of a new comer, BioPerl is a little difficult to work with. I do thoroughly enjoy solving BioInformatics problems with perl- I also have an interest in Astronomy.
    Any insight is greatly appreciated :)
RFC: An on-disk NFS-safe key-value store database (NFSdb)
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by RecursionBane
on Oct 12, 2014 at 13:29
    Greetings, Monks!

    It has been too long since I have solicited your opinion.

    After looking at the dozens upon dozens of database mechanisms available, I see that there are two major types:

    1. On-disk, serverless, "low"-concurrency database as file(s); Examples include:
    2. Remote (even if via localhost/), server/client, "high"-concurrency databases; Examples include:
    I had a specific requirement for a database that was:
    • Multi-process safe
    • Multi-host safe
    • Network File System (NFS) safe
    • Multi-master enabled (potentially to thousands of master processes concurrently)
    • Easily backed up on a frequency-basis
    • Lacking a single point of failure, assuming IT-managed storage filers

    None of the local databases I have found claim to be both multi-process safe and NFS-safe:

    • Some of them are averse to NFS (see: SQLite, BerkeleyDB, LMDB),
    • Others do not allow multiple processes accessing the database at the same time (see: TokyoCabinet, LevelDB), and,
    • Still others perform coarse-locking for multi-process access (see: MLDBM::Sync).

    Remote databases require one or more server hosts, or else the program will have to open and maintain one (and only one!) local server-process and have all other processes connect to it via localhost. Additionally, having managed to choke a MySQL server with unoptimized long-running queries early on while developing a complex project, I tend to shy away from remote databases.

    Despite the risk of link rot, it is hoped that the extensive collection of links above helps users find a database binding in Perl that works for their needs. A description of NFSdb begins below.

    Let's start with how NFSdb benchmarks against SQLite with multiple writers and readers across a network file system.

    # Benchmarks with 100000 sequential keys with random record values acr +oss four concurrent readers/writers # # NFSdb settings: # # atomic_read: 0 # atomic_write: 1 # db_root: ./nfsdb # debug: 0 # depth: 0 # lock_read: 0 # lock_write: 0 # nonblocking_write: 1 # profile: 0 # # Benchmark : Avg (us) Max (us) Min (us) # ========= ======== ======== ======== # SQLite fresh writes : 12921.69 978057.00 1379.00 # NFSdb fresh writes : 3337.90 117746.00 1893.00 # SQLite repeat writes : 11329.72 880585.00 3419.00 # NFSdb repeat writes : 3952.88 159310.00 2121.00 # SQLite fresh reads : 2379.53 509153.00 1536.00 # NFSdb fresh reads : 1139.35 12749.00 533.00 # SQLite repeat reads : 2471.39 40543.00 1518.00 # NFSdb repeat reads : 1101.33 13373.00 311.00

    Note that the average times for writes are up to 4x better, and max times are up to 8x better; this is because of table-level locking in SQLite.
    Of course, this isn't an entirely fair comparison because SQLite provides a relational layer, whereas NFSdb is simply a key-value store. There are many situations, however, where a key-value store would suffice, but programmers code up a solution around SQLite anyway. There is a better way!

    Now, let's talk about the implementation.

    While perusing CPAN, I found File::SharedNFSLock to make locking across NFS feasible by exploiting hardlinks (Update: A kind Anonymous Monk points out that this module warns of potential race conditions if hardlinking is not a viable locking solution on NFS). Inspired by CHI::Driver::File's automatic hashing and deep-directory creation, I then proceeded to naively whip up a simple key-value store that I call NFSdb, with the following features:

    • Low-overhead (no server/client, but it does have a few non-core dependencies)
    • Object-oriented (my first OO module!)
    • NFS-safe locking available
    • Atomic (lockless) write supported
    • Indexless (so searching is not possible; the exact key is required for retrieval)
    • Benchmarks favorably compared to SQLite

    Since every "record" is a file on-disk, even with locking enabled, individual "cells" can be locked, leading to high concurrency when compared to SQLite's table-locking mechanism. With lockless writes, it is possible to achieve even higher performance with the tradeoff that your read_key() may not see the absolute newest data (I suppose this could be labeled "eventual consistency").

Installing wxPerl 0.9923 with wxWidgets 3.0.1 on Unbuntu 14.04LTS 64bit
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by jmlynesjr
on Oct 11, 2014 at 21:19

    I'm in the process of replacing my old 32bit Thinkpad with a new 64bit HP 15. As these things go, MPIDE, Fritzing, Eagle, and wxPerl all required libraries that weren't included in 14.04. After a lot of searching, all have been successfully installed. Below is the script I used for the wxWidgets/wxPerl installation. Hope it can be of some use to someone. Also cross posted to the wxPerl Wiki.


    Based on comments here at the Monestary and discussions with the original author, listed below is an updated version of the script.


    There's never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over...

Perl Success Stories
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by aartist
on Oct 08, 2014 at 14:16
    I was visiting Success Stories and found them very old. The latest story is dated as old as September 2001. Is there an another version being written by somebody? Any blog/websites reflect the current status ?
A port of "Dukedom" to Perl
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by boftx
on Oct 07, 2014 at 02:36

    I was bored the other day so I decided to port the game "Dukedom" from C to Perl. Here is the result, I'd greatly appreciate comments/feedback on how to make it display agnostic so it can be used for websites, Tk, etc. besides command line scripts. I have code refs now that can be changed out, but I'm pretty sure I need to do more. I am toying with using exception objects to signal the need for display/input and to provide callbacks to re-enter the state machine at the proper point.

    Please keep in mind that this is only the first draft and no docs or tests have been written yet. However, the command line script will work and allow you to play the game.


    You can find the original code that I ported from here: https://github.com/caryo/Dukedom/blob/master/imports/dukedom.c

    You must always remember that the primary goal is to drain the swamp even when you are hip-deep in alligators.
The importance of avoiding the shell
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by jhourcle
on Sep 25, 2014 at 07:34

    For those who haven't heard, there was a Bash exploit announced yesterday. Although a patch did come out (4.3.25), there are reports that it does not fully fix the problem.

    Using variations of the test string that was posted to slashdot, it looks as if perl makes your system invulnerable:

    sh-3.2$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' sh -c "echo this is a test" vulnerable this is a test sh-3.2$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable & echo' perl -e 'system "echo + test"' test sh-3.2$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' perl -e 'print `echo test`' test

    ... but unfortunately, perl only protects you when you either pass system a list. In other cases, if it sees a shell meta character in your string, you're still vulnerable:

    sh-3.2$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' perl -e 'print `echo test;`' vulnerable test sh-3.2$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' perl -e 'system "echo test;" +' vulnerable test sh-3.2$ env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' perl -e 'system qw(echo test +;)' test;

    Your main attack vector is CGIs -- anyone can set their user-agent, or pass in a query string, and the webserver will set environmental variables automatically. Should your scripts shell out, they're exploitable.

    So, the moral of the story: always use the list form of system, and avoid backticks if you can. If you have to do strange things w/ redirecting output, look at IPC::Open2 and IPC::Open3 which can also take list inputs.

SNTP Client/Server V2 RFC
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by thanos1983
on Sep 23, 2014 at 10:38

    Hello Monks,

    A few days ago, I finished my task on creating a running SNTP Client/Server. I had a similar post on my previous version UDP SNTP Client/Server RFC where I was introduced to the idea that this could be submitted as module on CPAN since nothing similar exists. The closest module that I could found is Net::NTP. Which in reality there are nothing to look a like to each other. The other module fetches and displays data from the NTP Server. The module that I propose is using the local clock of the server to calculate the roundtrip delay d and local clock offset t.

    So I thought if people are interesting in running a script like that it should have higher accuracy and actually support most if not all features of Simple Network Time Protocol (SNTP).

    Accuracy down to microseconds can only be achieved on Linux OS and not to Windows OS Time::HiRes not that high on windows.

    I would like to ask for possible improvements or suggestions of my code. Please take in consideration that I am not expert on programming and this is my first module submission.

    Also can Windows and MAC users test the code and provide feedback on the script execution. I mean if you have any problems or possible faults. I have developed the scripts on Linux so it is only tested on Linux environment.

    Update: client.pl and server.pl include use POSIX qw(CLOCKS_PER_SEC); for compatibility reasons with Windows OS. Thanks to the help of VinsWorldcom for the proposed solution.



    Possible future improvement is to apply threading on the server so it can reply on my multiple requests (clients) simultaneously.

    Thank you all for your time and effort to review and comment on my request.

    Seeking for Perl wisdom...on the process of learning...not there...yet!
Building an Open Source Perl ERP
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by einhverfr
on Sep 14, 2014 at 21:21

    LedgerSMB 1.4.0 has been released after about three years of development. The system is written in Perl, SQL, and PL/PGSQL, and supports Perl 5.10 and higher, as well as PostgreSQL 9.0 and higher. Click Read More for our press release.

    We are already going into this release with a fair bit of discussion as to where to go from here. We've already been building a framework for database access based on our experiences (PGObject). And now we are looking at moving to a web framework (Dancer is the one we are looking at most heavily right now, but Mojolicious and Catalyst have also been discussed).

    While we chose Perl because it was used by the software we forked (SQL-Ledger), as we have moved into modernizing and improving the code, we have become very happy with the power and flexibility of the language. 1.4.0 moves a fair bit of code onto Moose. And we expect this trend to continue.

    I won't vouch for the quality of the code we inherited. But I think the quality of the code that is being written for 1.5 is now something I am pretty happy with.

    I would be interested in any feedback on this process that other large enterprise application developers have.

The Case for Macros in Perl
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by einhverfr
on Sep 12, 2014 at 23:07

    In some of my work I have started doing a lot more with higher order and functional Perl programming. A good example is PGObject::Util::DBMethod which provides a way to declaratively map stored procedures in Postgres to object methods. I have linked to the source code on github above because it is a good example of where macros would be very helpful.

    Now I will be the first to admit that in these cases, macros are not 100% necessary. The module above can accomplish what it needs to do without them. However the alternative, which means effectively creating a highly generalized anonymous coderef, setting up a custom execution environment for that coderef, and then installing the generalized coderef with the specific execution environment as a method has some significant drawbacks.

    Here's the particular section that does the main work:
    sub dbmethod { my $name = shift; my %defaultargs = @_; my ($target) = caller; my $coderef = sub { my $self = shift @_; my %args; if ($defaultargs{arg_list}){ %args = ( args => _process_args($defaultargs{arg_list}, @_) + ); } else { %args = @_; } for my $key (keys %{$defaultargs{args}}){ $args{args}->{$key} = $defaultargs{args}->{$key} unless $args{args}->{$key} or $defaultargs{strict_ar +gs}; $args{args}->{$key} = $defaultargs{args}->{$key} if $defaultargs{strict_args}; } for my $key(keys %defaultargs){ next if grep(/^$key$/, qw(strict_args args returns_objects) +); $args{$key} = $defaultargs{$key} if $defaultargs{$key}; } my @results = $self->call_dbmethod(%args); if ($defaultargs{returns_objects}){ for my $ref(@results){ $ref = "$target"->new(%$ref); } } if ($defaultargs{merge_back}){ _merge($self, shift @results); return $self; } return shift @results unless wantarray; return @results; }; no strict 'refs'; *{"${target}::${name}"} = $coderef; }

    Now that is 40 lines of code and 30 lines of it go into the coderef which is executed when the method is actually run. This doesn't seem too much but it does the work of 5-10 lines of code in an imperative style. In other words, it is 5-6 times as long and intensive as it needs to be.

    With macros, it would be quite possible to generate only the code needed for the specific function rather than creating a generalized case which has to handle many non-applicable inputs, and then create a context where it only gets what it needs.

Almost 28 new names for 32 old marks
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by tye
on Sep 06, 2014 at 01:42

    We were discussing a software bug and somebody mentioned "vertical pipe" and I thought, "Then it should be called 'bong'". It took several days after that, but I eventually settled on my new names for all of the ASCII punctuation marks:

    ! bang | bong @ bung & dung $ bling ^ sting < bring > brung ( sling ) slung [ cling ] clung { fling } flung : sing ; sung " string ' strong ` strang ~ swing = rung ? rang . ding , dang / slash \ sash - dash _ lash # bash * splash % rash + crash

    Each is mnemonic but I'll leave divining etymologies as an exercise; some of them might be entertaining to realize (some I find entertaining while obvious, YMMV).

    - tye        

RFC Using PERL HEREDOC script within bash
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by dcronin135
on Aug 26, 2014 at 23:29

    This submission is in response to others asking how to embedded a PERL within a bash or ksh script. Though it may not be a common practice, it does illustrate a couple of examples as to how this would be accomplished.

    #!/bin/sh # If you are not passing bash var's into the PERL HEREDOC, # then single quote the HEREDOC tag perl -le "$(cat <<'MYPL' # Best to build your out vars rather than writing directly # to the pipe until the end. my $STDERRdata="", $STDOUTdata=""; while ($i=<STDIN>){ chomp $i; $STDOUTdata .= "To stdout\n"; $STDERRdata .= "Write from within the heredoc\n"; MYPL print $STDOUTdata; # Doing the pipe write at the end will save you warn $STDERRdata; # a lot of frustration. )" <myInputFile 1>prints.txt 2>warns.txt


    #!/bin/sh set WRITEWHAT="bash vars" # If you want to include your bash var's # Escape the $'s that are not bash vars. perl -le "$(cat <<MYPL my $STDERRdata="", $STDOUTdata=""; while (\$i=<STDIN>){ chomp \$i; \$STDOUTdata .= "To stdout\n"; \$STDERRdata .= "Write $WRITEWHAT from within the heredoc\n"; MYPL print \$STDOUTdata; # Doing the pipe write at the end will save you warn \$STDERRdata; # a lot of frustration. )" <myInputFile 1>prints.txt 2>warns.txt

    If you wanted to pass command line arguments, insert them before the < indirect for STDIN.

How realistic is an extended absence?
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by ksublondie
on Aug 15, 2014 at 13:17
    I've been working for the same small, local company since college (12 years -- CS degree) and the sole programmer for the last 7...5 of which have been almost exclusively from home. I love my job, the company is great, can't ask for a better boss, I'm able to work independently and come up with my own projects. But lately, I've been contemplating staying home* to watch the kiddos (currently 3 all <=5). I'm flat out burned out and my priorities have shifted.

    How realistic is it to quit my job for an extended adsence (5+ years) and later return to a programming/IT position? Am I going to be pigeon holed into the baby-track? Will I be untouchable & irrelavant?

    * EDIT: "staying at home" = quitting my job/programming. For clarification, I have been working at home full-time with the kiddos from day one. Always in the past, it worked rather well. It was all they ever knew. My parenting style is rather "hands off" (not to say I neglect my children, but I make sure their needs are met while teaching them to be independent and doing things for themselves if it's within their capability). As a result, they have amazing attention spands and are capable of entertaining themselves. Plus a fortune invested in baby gates helps. Toddlers running around are less distracting than my coworkers and all the drama, politics, meetings about the next meeting, etc.

    I don't know if it's the addition of #3, or their ages requiring more mental stimulation, or #2 being a yet-to-be-potty-trained holy terror...or a combination thereof...but it's not working so smoothly anymore. I'm debating about quitting completely. I can tell myself to "stay in the loop" independently, but realistically, I know I won't. I already feel irrelavant since I'm not physically in the office.

RFC: interface for a DBD::Proxy-like module client-side DSN
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by MidLifeXis
on Aug 14, 2014 at 09:22

    I made mention of this in the CB the other day, but didn't get many responses, so I thought I would ask it here to perhaps get a wider audience and set of responses.

    I am modifying a copy of DBD::Proxy/DBI::ProxyServer so that instead of specifying the entire server-side DSN on the client side, you instead specify a known name of a handle to a configured DSN on the server side. Using this and implementing the sql section of the configuration to another set of known queries would allow the client to use a DBI compliant data source without needing to have the server-side implementation details available. I am also looking to update the connection / user / query definition sections to make them more able to be isolated from one another.

    • Does a client-side DSN along the lines of dbi:Router:hostname=$hostname;port=$port;dsn=dbi:router:$remotename seem like a reasonable interface? [clarification: $hostname and $port are for connecting to the proxy / routing server, not the database -- that is fully configured on the routing server] Is there something (currently) better to base this on than DBD::Proxy/DBI::ProxyServer?
    • Does the name seem sensible?
    • Should I just try to incorporate this directly into the DBD::Proxy core itself?
    • Any other thoughts / previously invented wheels / ideas?

    The major use case I have for this is to standardize access to all of the little bits of information I have to use for my applications which currently exist in different data stores (CSV/TSV, SQLite, ldap, ...) in order to migrate them into a more manageable setup without impacting the application code. This type of configuration would also allow for the mockup of a testing set of data, migration to different platforms, ...


    • pgbouncer was mentioned as a similar tool
    • Added description of my use case
    • Added a clarification of what the host/port refer to


RFC: pianobar event example
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by ulterior_modem
on Aug 10, 2014 at 22:02
    Hello monks,

    I know enough perl to be bad; however I live in a unix userland and some things are more universally accepted than others, one of them being perl. I usually play around in php, but writing this sort of script in php seems wrong.

    My goal was for it to be understandable and log songs played via pianobar to csv for use with other things. What ways could this be improved? Any feedback is appreciated.



    use strict; use warnings; # this holds all of the lines output by pianobar. my @input = <STDIN>; # lines parsed into hash. my %data; # file we want to write output to my $file = '/home/ulterior/pandora.log'; # assembled CSV line. my $line; # last line of logfile. my $lastline; # remove newlines from end of all values in array. chomp @input; # build hash from contents of array. foreach my $var (@input) { (my $key, my $value) = split(/\=/, $var); $data{$key} = $value; } # check to see if all the field we want are defined. if (defined($data{title}) && defined($data{artist}) && defined($data{album}) && defined($data{songStationName})) { # compose csv line with/without album art. if (defined($data{coverArt})) { $line = '"'.$data{title}.'","'.$data{album}.'","'.$data{artist}.'"," +'.$data{songStationName}.'","'.$data{coverArt}.'"'."\n"; } else { $line = '"'.$data{title}.'","'.$data{album}.'","'.$data{artist}.'" +,"'.$data{songStationName}.'"'."\n"; } } # check to see if log file exists. if (-e $file) { # check to see if the last line is the same to avoid duplication. $lastline = qx/tail -n 1 $file/; if ($line eq $lastline) { exit(0); } # write csv line to file. else { open(HANDLE, ">>", $file); print(HANDLE "$line"); close(HANDLE); } }

    Sample data.

    artist=Bastille title=Pompeii album=Pompeii (Remixes) coverArt=http://cont-2.p-cdn.com/images/public/amz/9/5/3/6/800026359_5 +00W_500H.jpg stationName=QuickMix songStationName=Major Tom Radio pRet=1 pRetStr=Everything is fine :) wRet=1 wRetStr=Everything's fine :) songDuration=214 songPlayed=214 rating=0 detailUrl=http://www.pandora.com/bastille/pompeii-remixes/pompeii?dc=2 +32&ad=1:23:1:47805::0:msn:0:0:581:307:IN:18167:0:0:0:0:6:0 stationCount=74 station0=28 Days Radio station1=And so on...

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