in reply to Re^2: Perl Golf Ethics
in thread Perl Golf Ethics

Ton's brilliant magic formula won the original roman tournament by only three strokes. It is also worth noting from the fonality golf post mortem that TedYoung (presumably a first time golfer) produced a score of 116.50 before finding Ton's magic formula ... and that a score of 169.51 was enough to win a prize. Also, Jasper, who is part of the Perl golf community, "forgot" about Ton's magic formula, yet was still able to finish in ninth place with a score of 125.

So not knowing this formula did not "shut out" people from winning a prize. Moreover, searching for perl golf (via google and/or SuperSearch) would have uncovered the original perl golf roman numerals game easily enough (as Ted Young did).

Perhaps the rules should have been clarified to state, as Ton says, that golfers are expected to research and learn from prior art and that it is not cheating to do so.

In summary, I do not blame Fonality for this and, despite the prior roman art, the wide range of scores and creative approaches showed that there was a lot of golf played in this competition outside the magic formula.

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Re^4: Perl Golf Ethics
by petdance (Parson) on Jan 03, 2007 at 02:49 UTC
    Perhaps the rules should have been clarified to state, as Ton says, that golfers are expected to research and learn from prior art and that it is not cheating to do so.

    Indeed. It would have saved me from bothering with the contest at all.


      I'm amused at the downvotes for my saying that I have no interest in a contest based on research. "Darn you, Lester! Expressing an opinion about the type of contest you want to participate in! I'll show you!"


        You're probably being downvoted for your attitude. It was meant to be a fun competition. Most people were in it for the enjoyment, not the prizes, and could see the funny side of it after the game was over. You couldn't, preferring to feel angry and cheated and venting that the whole thing was unfair. You are the only competitor I'm aware of who has expressed this point of view. To illustrate the stark difference in attitude, I embed below a number of public comments from others who were in the competition and who also missed Ton's magic formula.

        From Jasper (top score of those who missed Ton's magic formula):

        Now, as an afterthought, am I the only person to have missed the perlgolf history book, and the only person who submitted a score that didn't have something like : $;.=5x$_*8%29628 :) I had a good time doing it, though. Thanks, Samy...

        From `/anick, who missed out on the last prize by one stroke:

        Yeah. Whoever wrote that "the one who doesn't learn from history is condemned to repeat it" was wildly optimistic. *sigh*

        But nevermind that blunderific overlook of the Great Thome of Golfic Knowledge. Nevermind an obscenely tumefied forehead, caused by repeated percussions against my desk during the ever-excruciating quest for the next shaved stroke. What really make me wail like a tax-audited banshee is that the referee just went through the last of the pending entries, allowing m.wrenn to sneak one stroke ahead of me and bump me off the top 20, literally yanking the prized t-shirt off my clenched fists.

        m.wrenn, if you are on this list, consider my fist -- yes, that same fist that you so fiendishly robbed from its prize -- shaked in barely supressed fury in your general direction. And mark my words: one day, I shall have my revenge upon thee!

        Oh, and many thanks to the referee and Fonality for the course. It was a blast!

        Nobody gets downvoted for expressing an opinion, but rather for the opinion they express. And yours comes across as like saying "unfair! I didn't know the formula! nobody told me I had to research!".

        And saying that you were bothering with the contest when golfing is fun and a sport (besides that winning money is fun also) won't earn you any merits.


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