In 200 years there will be many people claiming Perl is dead. And others will respond by pointing to the million modules on CPAN. The community will be waiting eagerly for Perl 17 (as for the last 20 years), and use the stable version 16.42.1 meanwhile. Except for some poor fellows who have to mantain legacy-code written in Perl 6.

So all will be fine ... at least till the next overflow of the Mayan calendar.

Happy New Year to all of you! Rata

I'm thinking we will wear a helmet which picks up our thought patterns and converts them to Perl code

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I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth.
Old Perl Programmer Haiku ................... flash japh

Actually, there'll be another small remnant: contracters who took jobs maintaining code in a firm that still uses 5.8.

Did you not bother to read How do I create a Poll? or fail to understand it?

Well, I think I did. Did'nt it say

1. Post a new note in the poll ideas quest 2013 thread, containing your suggested poll.
2. Send a message to the pollsters (/msg pollsters) pointing them at your new note in the poll ideas quest 2013 thread.
3. Go on about your life as if nothing has happened. 

So I satisfied number 1. As to your complaint Did you not bother to read How do I create a Poll? or fail to understand it?

Are you referring to item #2? If so, the only people who would know I didn't /msg the pollsters, would be the pollsters themselves. So if you are a pollster, you already know my suggested idea, why should I /msg you now? :-) Is this the government or something? :-)

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Old Perl Programmer Haiku ................... flash japh

My next project will...

• use Moose
• use Mouse
• use Any::Moose (deprecated, schmeprecated)
• use Moo
• use Object::Tiny
• use Class::Accessor (old-school)
• sub new { ... bless \%attr, $class }
• none of the above
• bless? I don't know what you're talking about

Re: poll ideas quest 2012?
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Why focus on just OO? What if the project uses some other kind of module (DBI or Dancer), or doesn't use OO at all?

Perhaps what you're really asking is "What OO technology will you use in your next OO project"?

Why focus on just OO? Because polls need a focus, and that is as good a focus as any other.

Might as well ask why the current poll focuses on new year's resolutions and doesn't have any options for indicating your favourite Buffy character.

perl -E'sub Monkey::do{say$_,for@_,do{($monkey=[caller(0)]->[3])=~s{::}{ }and$monkey}}"Monkey say"->Monkey::do'

What does OO mean?

There's one answer missing:

• I'm using bare metal perl for generating python classes.

;-)

Excuse me, it's Friday
McA

I once wrote PHP which generated ASP+VBScript code as output. These PHP scripts were run through the PHP command-line client (not Apache mod_php) which was called from a Perl script, triggered by cron.

String escaping was... err... "fun".

package Cow { use Moo; has name => (is => 'lazy', default => sub { 'Mooington' }) } say Cow->new->name

• Lack of sponsorship
• Overambitious goals
• Bad luck
• Mismanagement
• Incompetence
• Some other reason

• It hasn't failed, it's resting!
A Monk aims to give answers to those who have none, and to learn from those who know more.

Backstory

The entire basis for this poll is contained in node Roll Call - How new is your Perl?

The basic question is: how old is the perl you're working with (i.e.- at your $job). And by extension, do you get to use Modern::Perl at $work?

Prologue

You can generally choose whatever version of Perl you want to use at $home. It's not an issue. You have choice. On the other hand, at $work things are often much more restrictive.

Poll: Modern::Perl at $work

• I get to use Modern::Perl features (and like it)
• I have to use Modern::Perl features (and hate it)
• I can't use newer Perl features at all, but I would If I could. I'm stuck at 5.8.8 or below.
• I'm happy to just use regular Perl features dating back to the turn of the century, tried, true, and all I need.
• Are you kidding? Everything I do is a one-file-hack because I'm not allowed to use anything but core modules anyway and upgrading is totally out of the question.
• What is Modern::Perl?
• I think everyone should be using Lisp, and never shut up about it.

Hard to answer, when I have the modernests perl versions installed, but NEVER ever use Modern::Perl (on purpose). use 5.16.2; + use warnings; is more than enough for me. (FWIW I have 134 versions of perl installed on my laptop, I do not want to install Modern::Perl on them :)


Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn

Hi,

I get to use Modern::Perl features (and like it).

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I'm happy to just use regular Perl features dating back to the turn of the century, tried, true, and all I need. but then i and my collegues are doing pretty simple stuff with Perl.

What version of perl do you use in a production setting (pick the most-deployed if there are several versions)?

• 5.6 or older
• 5.8
• 5.10
• 5.12
• 5.14
• 5.16
• 5.17 or newer - I walk the bleeding edge
• No production setting, or no perl

• 5.18 or newer - and I drive a DeLorean
perl -E'sub Monkey::do{say$_,for@_,do{($monkey=[caller(0)]->[3])=~s{::}{ }and$monkey}}"Monkey say"->Monkey::do'
pmsig

5.10 but we still have to use 5.8 on our work desktops because the company does not want to upgrade to anything newer. Company policy states we cannot install any software without permission so trying to get anything newer is futile. It may be time to try to convince them to at least upgrade to 5.10 to match the version in AIX.

Has Medea betrayed Aeëtes?

• No
• Yes

• Yes
• Hell yes!

Or perhaps: To what should Perl 6 be renamed?

Installing "Perl Hell yes!" does sound interesting but I don't think it would work well in a corporate environment.

Where were you at epoch == 0?

• A gleam in my grandparent's eyes
• A gleam in my parent's eyes
• In diapers
• Pre-school
• Elementary school
• High school
• College/University
• Working full-time
• Retired

How do you write your curly brackets?

With special thanks to Tux for giving me a refined, "poll-ready" list. If you need help with the style names, please visit the Wikipedia page on the matter.

I actually use the second method, much to the persistent annoyance of just about everybody I've ever worked with. It lets me see the structure of the code on a teeny font and pressures me to keep my routines small, so they fit on the screen.

I honestly am not sure why the former method is so popular. I think it's a pain to read, and quite annoying to fix when you have an unmached bracket. Those are easy to get when you're doing any sort of sigificant code building or modification.

Are those the only two options? See wikipedia for a longer list of styles. I use banner style, and I also have my reasons to use it: I thought about it. I'm afraid a lot of fresh coders just follow what they were fed at school or what their editor-of-choice gives as prefered style.

sub foo
{
    if (bar) {
        # Blah!
        }
    } # foo
[download]

WAY more important than what style is used, is that the style is used consistently and by all members in the team.

FWIW I do not think this would be a good poll. It would lead to flame wars.


Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn

I agree that consistency in a team is important. I think that programmer should learn how to flexibly write their code to conform to a current project's standards. However, this question isn't asking for the "best" method or even the one you should use in practice on any given project. It's just asking for your preferred method that you would use if you were coding something all by yourself for whatever reason. What method would you use if you were working on a simple project at home or whatever?

If this causes flame wars, than it speaks of the stubborness of Perl programmers in a very negative way. I hope you guys aren't really that stubborn. Geez. I'm not asking for a "correct" answer.

P.S.: Do you have any idea how condescending it is to say that you use your style because you "thought about it," while others who aren't "veterans" like yourself "just follow what they were fed at school or what their editor-of-choice gives as prefered style." Of course us "newbies" can't actually have real justifications for why we use a style! We're just stupid like that, aren't we?

P.P.S.: Okay, so there are more than just two styles. After all, whitespace is fairly "free form" and has no real affect on your code other than readability. If you want to take it that far, I could make some big huge list of styles and have them all be options, or "reference the names" and link to each type for people to actually look up. For most of us, that requires a lot of extra reading to use styles that we probably didn't even think of as having names. Seriously, I think it says a lot about you that you're linking to named styles. They're important, but most of us don't care what the styles are called! You really don't have to know that you're using "Lisp Style" to use it. e_e The only real purpose it "serves" as is a way to quickly referene what you mean without fullly describing it.

Please try to rephrase this poll idea in a way that you think could appear verbatim in a poll. The pollsters won't make a poll with nine-line code snippets embedded in a poll answer. Quoting How do I create a Poll?, “Draft the complete wording of your poll. No one will do it for you.”

Bleh. I'm sure I ruffled a few feathers with my rather terse attitude earlier in this post. I'm in the middle of building a spider for my company's intranet. When I have a bit of time I'll fix my poll by using style name references. Please be patient. :)

We all have only so many hours of life available to us. We must use some of those to learn the skills that allow us to make a living so we can use the remaining hours to do other things. Those learing hours are an investment in the quality of the other hours. The more we invest in learning a skill, the more we have a personal interest in ensuring that skill is well seen and in-demand.

How many man-hours would you estimate you have invested in learning Perl?

• Zero - I'm just a bot passing through.
• Just a few - I'm new to this, and now totally freaked out by the number of hours implied in the answers below.
• Hundreds - So what can I do to help make Perl an in-demand language so I get the maximum return on my investment?
• None - I refuse to acknowledge the term man hours, you patriarchical pig. But I have many person-hours. And let me tell you.....
• More time than I've spent learning basic social skills.
• What "other things"? All my time goes to learning Perl. It's become an obsession.
• The beauty of Perl is that while the well of capabilities is deep, the basic framework is so intuitive that you can become pretty darn productive very quickly, so while my total hours invested is low, I want to point out that my ability to produce in Perl is much greater than you might expect by that number.
• Thanks to Scalosian water, I learned everything there is to know about Perl in a blink of your un-accelerated eye.

One of the best poll sugestions I've seen ever! :)


Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn

The four basic classes of nutrients are proteins, carbohydrates, fats, and…

• alcohol
• caffeine
• nicotine
• nucleotides
• sodium
• water

Update: fixed spelling of "carbohydrates", thanks to davies.

Update: added alcohol, thanks Voronich

Update 2013-04-15: done: The four basic classes of nutrients are proteins, carbohydrates, fats, and….

Chocolate!!

And:
• Salt (Chocolate Covered Pretzels are the Greatest Invention of the Last Century)
• Chocolate covered Espresso Beans
• Chocolate covered Raspberries
• Chocolate covered Blueberries
• Chocolate and most anything else (I sense a pattern here....)

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OGB

Ethanol

Bacon!!!!


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sweet, sweet crack

Jokes are:

• Good
• Bad
• Ugly
• Forbidden
• Jocular
• Fundamental
• Elementary

Hello Monks,

I'm doing some market research for Stratopan. I'd like to know how people manage the upgrade and deployment of CPAN modules. Some of the choices I see are:

• Install from a local mini CPAN
• Vendor packages (RPM, PPM, Debian Pkgs)
• Install directly from public CPAN
• Stash the tarballs from CPAN in version control
• Build the modules directly into our source tree
• Use carton and/or cpanfile
• Don't use any CPAN modules
• Never upgrade any CPAN modules

Aside just helping me, I think this poll would shed some light on how CPAN modules are handled in the wild, which could lead to some insights on how to improve the toolchain

I'd really appreciate if you all would consider running this poll in the near future. Thanks for your time

-Jeff

If you want to seriously research this, consider just asking people in Meditations instead. Be sure to explain in your question why you are interested in this.

Update: done, see How Do You Manage Your Perl Modules?.

Hi Pollsters,

Given below is my suggestion for Poll-

Which is your most preferred Linux Flavor? Could be the one that you use at work or at your home.

Options Are:

Debian

Ubuntu LTS

Ubuntu (NON LTS)

Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu

CentOS

Scientific Linux

Red Hat Linux

Suse Linux

Mandriva

SlackWare or SlackWare Based

Arch Linux or Arch based

Gentoo or Gentoo Based

Knoppix

Fedora or Fedora Based

Mint Linux

Mint Debian

How could you possibly miss my Linux Flavor???

Nopes, I am a Solaris User...and it rocks

Nopes, I am a FreeBSD/PCBSD/NetBSD user...and it rocks..

Windows....I use Windows..and it rocks...

I really don't care...As long as the system spews out something meaningful when I do a perl --version, I am in business...

use Learning::Perl;
use Beginning::Perl::Ovid;
print "Awesome Books";
[download]

See also Re: poll ideas quest 2007 (My preferred GNU/Linux distribution) and Re: poll ideas quest (Please name your Linux Distribution of choice). Related is Re: poll ideas quest (Your least liked operating system).

Hi,

My apologies for missing it out. I had been through the links in the "how to put up a poll", but didn't find this one.

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use Learning::Perl;
use Beginning::Perl::Ovid;
print "Awesome Books";
[download]

http://dwimperl.com/windows.html is a boon for Windows.

This isn't a poll. Please read and understand what you're replying to.

How many continents have you visited?

• 0
• 1
• 2
• 3
• 4
• 5
• 6
• 7

And on a more philosophical note:

How many continents are there?

• 7 (Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, N America, S America)
• 6 (Africa, Antarctica, Australia, Eurasia, N America, S America)
• 5 (Afro-Eurasia, Antarctica, Australia, N America, S America)
• 4 (Afro-Eurasia, America, Antarctica, Australia)

You are missing the lost/sunken one ;-)
• 8 (Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Atlantis, Australia, Europe, N America, S America)

How many continents are there?

I have often seen and heard mention of Oceania for a great number of the Pacific islands, often also including a few of the bigger ones.

Also Greenland as part of neither Americas nor Europe, but not too often.

And if Eurasafrica should be 3 continents with that massive land border between Asia and Europe, the "Indian subcontinent" should also be raised to be a full continent.

I am looking forward to what you make of it :-)

Cheers, Sören

No option to have Santa have his own continent? Why opt-in Antarctica as a seperate continent, but not the North Pole?

/me visited 2 (Europe: many countries and N-America: US and Canada). I sometimes experience the U.K. as not being part of Europe, but that is OT for this quest.


Enjoy, Have FUN! H.Merijn

Santa already has his own continent: N-America (the home of Coca-Cola and friends ;)

Because the North Pole is just a big icecube. The Antarctic has land: lots of it; more than Australia; more than Europe.

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What about asking the number of countries rather than continents? There might be less doubt about what is (or was at the time of the visit) a country.
لսႽ† ᥲᥒ⚪⟊Ⴙᘓᖇ Ꮅᘓᖇ⎱ Ⴙᥲ𝇋ƙᘓᖇ

There are many more countries than continents ;) What would the options be if the topic was countries?

• Google
• Apple
• Microsoft
• Government of the USA
• Government of China
• Yourself
• Missing semicolons
• Seaweed touching your leg when you're in the ocean/lake
• Walking through spiderwebs
• Accidentally using rm -rf on the wrong directory

"Fear itself"

package Cow { use Moo; has name => (is => 'lazy', default => sub { 'Mooington' }) } say Cow->new->name

I use Perl for

The main reason, other than pure pleasure, for which I use the Perl language is:

• Driving a modern website
• Driving a heritage website, use CGI;
• Bio-Informatics. Super search ACGT to find my posts.
• Systems Management Duct tape
• Measuring the temperature of my teapot Warming the pot
• Practical Extraction and Reporting
• ETL
• One liners

Cheers,
R.