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Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node

by ignatz (Vicar)
on May 06, 2002 at 02:53 UTC ( #164213=monkdiscuss: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

Since frontpaging one's own node creates such needless strife, it would make things a lot simpler if we didn't allow it.
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Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by cjf (Parson) on May 06, 2002 at 03:49 UTC

    I think I agree with you, but I can also see a couple of almost legitimate reasons to allow an author to frontpage their nodes.

    Consider Audio and Perl, which I posted a while ago, it received no responses. I plan to post a follow up after some tests. Chances are nobody will see this, and it won't receive any input if I leave the node where it is. However, if I frontpage it after posting my tests, others will notice it, comment on it, and perhaps even learn something from it. Doesn't seem that bad does it?

    A different approach could be to require 3 votes or so to frontpage a post, similar to the current consideration feature (add a vote fp to frontpage option perhaps). Just some random thoughts :).

      For such a situation I think that the proper etiquette is to ask someone else in the chatterbox to frontpage it.
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        True...

        But then, how do we get the $$$ bribe, er, honorarium, to them using CB? :)

Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by grep (Monsignor) on May 06, 2002 at 04:02 UTC

    I must agree with ignatz, any easily abused feature (especially one with very public results) should have some kind of sanity check. Not allowing authors to FP would be a simple way (interface-wise, I have no idea of implemenation) to prevent major abuse.

    Imagine the poor editors if several people started abusing the frontpage.



    grep
    Unix - where you can throw the manual on the keyboard and get a command
      Imagine the poor editors if several people started abusing the frontpage.

      This already happens now to an extent. One Monk frontpages a worthy node only to have it knocked off The Monastery Gates by a few careless frontpages by new Friars. Although this hasn't happened as much since Am I a power-mad Friar? was posted.

      Not allowing the author to single handily frontpage their own nodes would probably reduce such cases though.

Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by dws (Chancellor) on May 06, 2002 at 06:29 UTC
    Since frontpaging one's own node creates such needless strife, it would make things a lot simpler if we didn't allow it.

    I come down on the side of letting peer pressure handle this. It doesn't happen that often, and it's fairly quickly corrected. If anything, we might consider raising the bar on who can frontpage. The list of who can frontpage has gotten pretty big. The pool of Saints right now is larger than the pool of Friar-and-above was two years ago. Perhaps it's time to adopt a (somewhat) level neutral rule, whereby only the top N monks can frontpage.

      I come down on the side of letting peer pressure handle this.

      Downvoting is peer pressure. Placing it up for consideration, and everyone voting on it and someone going in and editing it is just a waste of time.

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      Hi,

      The pool of Saints right now is larger than the pool of Friar-and-above was two years ago.

      exactly this brings me again to my proposal (never mentioned it here before) not to stop at saint, and have some level 11 @ 5000+ XP (perlangel?) and something 10000+ XP "perlgod"

      Sounds probably too pathetic, but - after all - this comunity is developing and old rules may not apply that much longer.

      Bye
       PetaMem

Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by tadman (Prior) on May 06, 2002 at 14:15 UTC
    I'm still wondering why there is even a frontpage checkbox at all. You would think that something like this would be either a) automatic based on repuation, or b) entrusted to the discretion of the editors.
Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by DaWolf (Curate) on May 06, 2002 at 14:33 UTC
    Totally agree with you. I'd even go a step further and don't allow author to approve his own node.

    my ($author_nickname, $author_email) = ("DaWolf","erabbott\@terra.com.br") if ($author_name eq "Er Galvão Abbott");
      I think not letting an author approve his own node is a silly idea. I think that I've been around long enough that I know how and what to post. If people approve their own nodes in an inappropriate way, XP will most likely reflect it and make it a non-issue once the drop down past Friar.

      On the issue of front paging your own nodes, I did once because it was a slow week, and I thought it was a really interesting post. I got a look from a few like I had dumped on their lawn and I haven't done it since.

      -Lee

      "To be civilized is to deny one's nature."
Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by Anonymous Monk on May 06, 2002 at 15:22 UTC
    Since frontpaging one's own node creates such needless strife.

    Hmm, and then you go and frontpage this node ignatz :-)
Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by mrbbking (Hermit) on May 06, 2002 at 18:32 UTC
    "In Perl culture ... you're expected to stay out of someone's home because you weren't invited in, not because there are bars on the windows."
    --Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen, and/or Randal Schwartz in "Programming Perl" second ed. p. 278.
    The thread you linked to in your post seemed to have a quick back and forth which ended with the 'perpetrator' acknowledging that he was unaware that it was considered in poor taste to front-page one's own node. It looks to have been a worthwhile exercise. The original poster learned something about the culture here, and so much the better.

    I like it that there are very few windows around here with bars on them...

Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by cecil36 (Monk) on May 07, 2002 at 15:48 UTC
    I think PM should adopt a system like the C! (cool writeup) system used at Everything2. That way, the monks here can decide if a writeup is worthy of being frontpaged. To make things fair for everyone, another nodelet can be added (just like in E2) containing links to the last X writeups.
Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by higle (Chaplain) on May 09, 2002 at 15:59 UTC
    I think the "taboo" automatically associated with frontpaging one's own node is asinine.

    The only "problem" that I can see with it is someone XP whoring. But chances are that if you're worried about other people's votes then you're too caught up in the trappings of the XP system and either need to take a walk outside for a few minutes of fresh, non-Internet air, or concentrate more on the content and function of the site and not the truly meaningless XP system.

    Realistically, the Monestary Gates are not being flooded with people frontpaging their own nodes. It happens every now and again. That's not to say that the Monestary Gates aren't being flooded with ill-chosen nodes, but 98% of the time it's not someone frontpaging their own posts.

    So, is it "proper etiquette" to beg others in the Chatterbox to frontpage your nodes? I find that more annoying than someone doing it themselves, personally.

    And, finally, I found mdillon's post in mothra's thread to be completely inappropriate and disruptive to the continuity of people giving legitimate answers to a legitimate question. If some people have nothing better to do than berate someone for sticking damned good content on the front page, then some people have to re-evaluate why they're even here at all.

    higle
    Think with your head, not your ego
Re: Don't Allow Author to Front Page a Node
by talexb (Canon) on May 13, 2002 at 02:38 UTC
    I don't mind an authour approving his/her own node, but it seems a little self-serving for them to also frontpage their own node.

    One of my nodes starting getting lots of votes after I'd posted it, not bad for something I thought would be of limited academic interest to the community. Then I realized someone had frontpaged it, and I felt like a proud papa that my little node had a moment of fame.

    Frankly, I mentally -- a node if I see it was approved and front paged by the authour. It's almost like admitting no one else will find the node worthy.

    So, turning to alternatives: Yeah, I dislike the practice of frontpaging by an authour. I don't know if it makes sense to prevent the authour from doing that .. does it make sense to prevent the node from being frontpaged until after a few hours have passed and/or until there are at least three replies to the original node, or until it has been voted on a number of times?

    --t. alex

    "Nyahhh (munch, munch) What's up, Doc?" --Bugs Bunny

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