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Re^6: Real life uses for closures. (update: disambiguation)by BrowserUk (Pope)
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I agree and as I said closures are somehow the other side of the OO coin in allowing encapsulated variables.
Indeed. One of my very early posts here was a OO class that used closures to produce a JS-style prototypical OO mechanism.
Looking back at it I'm not sure it'll win any plaudits for maintainability, but it was a great tool for learning the power and limitations of closures.
It's like saying why do we need lexical variables, as long as we care about chosing the right package-namespaces we can achieve the same.
I appreciate the analogy, but if you look back, I wasn't reaching any conclusions with my thoughts about closures, just examining the evidence.
As with many other ideas that suddenly gain currency -- despite usually having been around in one form or another since the '60s or early '70s -- I like to examine 'new ideas' every so often and try to see through the theory-wash, marketing speak and hyperbole, and reach my own conclusions as to their usefulness and importance.
Through this process I have avoided getting swept alone by many a fad that has subsequently shown itself to be of dubious value. I tend to apply the same criteria to most everything in life.
As far as closures go; I think I reached the conclusion that they are a valuable addition to languages so long as their implementation does not exact too high a price on the performance of the rest of that language.
Done right, they are a useful addition to the toolbox; but I wouldn't want to throw out (or ham-string performance-wise) too many of the other tools in the box to accommodate them.
Continuation passing on the other hand seems to exact too high a price.
I think it's also part of the feature competition.
That's essentially what I was wondering. Are closures just another 'we must have that too' kick.
I think they are somewhat more than that.
Saying this you might have noticed that some participants in this thread didn't really know what closure.
Indeed. But that is also true of many a dissertation on them that you'll find online.
But when I first encountered SmallTalk's block arguments; their significance was lost on me also.
With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
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