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Employment Status

by httptech (Chaplain)
on May 17, 2000 at 06:29 UTC ( #12029=monkdiscuss: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

It would be cool if we could have a selection on our Monk profiles to indicate (optionally of course) employment status.

Something like:

<select name="employment_status"> <option>Happily employed <option>Employed but entertaining offers <option>Employed but hate my job <option>Unemployed and seeking work <option>Will work for bandwidth <option>Don't have a job; don't want one
Some of us are in positions where we might need to find additional talent to join our companies; what better place to start the search than Perl Monks?

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RE: Employment Status
by perlmonkey (Hermit) on May 17, 2000 at 12:27 UTC
    I think this sounds fun to me. I know I wouldn't mind seeing if anyone here was looking for employment. The company I work for is always looking for good perl people.

    Similarly I think it would be neat to add a special area for available job posting. I know people dont want to clutter up the message boards with job postings, and I whole heartedly agree. I dont want to see a flood of job crap unless I am looking. But It would be cool if there was a serperate area where jobs can get posted, and maybe can't get replied to. And these new posting dont get posted to the Newest Nodes to prevent the clutter. So you have to go out of your way to find them, or have a special user option to enable tracking of new jobs in the Newest Nodes page.

    I think this would be cool to be able to see the variety of perl jobs out there. I am getting really freaking tired of making cgi program after program, I feel like I am turning into a one trick pony (uhh ... make that monkey?). So I am starting to look for something a little different and challenging with perl, but I havent found much. Just tons more cgi perl jobs.
RE: Employment Status
by ChuckularOne (Parson) on May 17, 2000 at 17:24 UTC
    How about adding:
    Have a job, Looking for side work.


    Your Humble Servant,
    -Chuck
RE: Employment Status
by BBQ (Deacon) on May 17, 2000 at 21:00 UTC
    Dude, I'm hiring!! There's only one catch:

    Anyone want to come work in São Paulo / Brazil?

    #!/home/bbq/bin/perl
    # Trust no1!
      It would be cool to have this on a non-regional basis. I'm based in London and am actively looking for work. It would be a good thing to see more sites with a less America-centric approach to things.
      By the Way - if you'll fly me out for an interview I might be interested... :-)
RE: Employment Status
by neshura (Chaplain) on May 17, 2000 at 21:45 UTC
    Check out related thread.

    Do you really think recruiters will quietly confine their postings to a small area of Perl Monks that doesn't even show up under "Newest Nodes"? My experience with recruiters is that they will pose as a fellow tech person (not outright lying, but implying), or run you down with their car so they can give you a business card, or call you every &#@$* day for weeks until you finally break down and promise to send them your sister's first born kid as soon as he gets his CS degree.

    Or maybe I'm just bitter and inclined towards doom-and-gloom soothsaying.

    Anyway, what about linking? Instead of posting perl jobs here, post them in the appropriate spot (monster.com or elance or guru.com) and then stick a link in your sig or bio...

    e-mail neshura

      I think the general idea would be to have fellow monks that are hiring to post in a special section what positions and/or skills required for a job are. I seriously doubt that a site like perlmonks would be flooded by headhunters. I would gladly post a job description to perlmonks and go on about my usual monk life reading and replying to other posts without bugging everyone about a job...

      I'm no headhunter and I have no inclination towards pestering people with job offering info! BTW: wanna leave Happy comPany? :o)

      Sorry, I just had to tease.

      #!/home/bbq/bin/perl
      # Trust no1!
        Okay, maybe, possibly, I could concede the point. But I'll be grumpy about it. Frankly, I must question your logic -- a site like perlmonks is the holy grail of the headhunter. But maybe it will remain untainted.

        And no, I don't want to leave Happy comPany. At least not for some fly-by-night operation in Rio... :-)

        e-mail neshura

RE: Employment Status
by httptech (Chaplain) on May 17, 2000 at 22:27 UTC
    Yeah, I'm a little leery about having a job posting area, because of the fear of attracting overly aggressive recruiters, and also because you get a lot of responses to one ad, and it sucks to have to turn down your fellow Monks.

    I'd rather just be able to see if someone is looking for work; and if I like what I've seen on their posts on Perl Monks, I'll just send them a note directly.

    Of course, this doesn't stop a recruiter from scanning all the user nodes and compiling a list of job seekers and then spamming them :(

    Maybe you should only be able to view someone else's employment status after you've gotten to a certain level of XP.

      I think that there should be, as was originaly suggested, a kind of work state option on the home node, then job agencies wouldn't be such a problem - spamming would be confined to those who 'wanted' it.
RE: Employment Status
by perlmonkey (Hermit) on May 18, 2000 at 05:27 UTC
    I suppose I agree with peoples reluctance for job postings. Perhaps this is not the best place to put it. But I sort of disagree with the troll recuiters argument. There is nothing now preventing recruiters from adding crap to the site, trolls will show up eventually as this site becomes more popular, it is an unfortunate reality.

    Basically instead of the job board it would be nice to see just company names and locations where I could do real perl programming. If I want to find out more, the company home pages should have all the details, so no reason to put it here. Maybe this kind of list is already available somewhere else?

    Everybody and their dog requires you know perl in job listings, but how many of them want you to actually do engineering in perl, or help engineer perl itself? That is the kind of job I am interested in. It seems that most companies have already put perl in a little niche, like "perl is for cgi" or "perl is for shell scripting", where the language is only used for farily simple tasks.

    So maybe I should start another dicsussion topic, but I am interested in hearing what companies do serious engineering with perl, or if there are people out there that are getting paid to do really cool stuff with perl.

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