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I mainly write Perl at...

by tye  (Monk)
on Oct 21, 2002 at 06:25 UTC ( #206779=poll: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??

vote on I mainly write Perl at...

work, as my "job"
[bar] 310/29%
work, when I can
[bar] 199/19%
work, in secret
[bar] 83/8%
school
[bar] 25/2%
home, for fun
[bar] 140/13%
home, seriously
[bar] 41/4%
home, I need a job
[bar] 73/7%
4am
[bar] 71/7%
a keyboard
[bar] 99/9%
right angles
[bar] 31/3%
1072 total votes
Comment on I mainly write Perl at...
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Juerd (Abbot) on Oct 21, 2002 at 06:52 UTC

    Perl is a huge part of what I consider "work", but it also pleases me as a quick and dirty scripting language for doing things at home. I couldn't live without my dictionary-website-grabber script, or the script that tells me when the next train leaves. Without Perl, I'd have a hard time converting all sorts of text formats into eachother, both at home and at the office.

    Home and work are hard to keep separated if you're a business owner. I often work at home, and do private coding at the office, so I couldn't decide between work and home. I chose "a keyboard" :)

    As my job: yes; When I can: yes; In secret: sometimes; For fun: yes; Seriously: rarely; 4am: er, yea; A keyboard: most always.

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      It looks great with white wine! FabsBSD
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Chady (Priest) on Oct 21, 2002 at 07:37 UTC
    so where's the "All The Time" option?
    He who asks will be a fool for five minutes, but he who doesn't ask will remain a fool for life.

    Chady | http://chady.net/
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Kage (Scribe) on Oct 21, 2002 at 08:03 UTC
    Actually, Perl (and other code languages) is my job. I make them, distribute, and sell them.

    Of course, I mostly make my best stuff at 1-4AM, then gotta get ready for school.. Ugh.. Just two more years, and I'm outta there..
    A script is what you give the actors. A program is what you give the audience. ~ Larry Wall
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Nomis52 (Friar) on Oct 21, 2002 at 08:13 UTC

    I couldn't decide which one to pick. I write at school (university), home (for fun, seriously and I need a job) work (when I'm employed), at a keyboard and sometimes at 4:00 am. Haven't tried right angles though :)

    I think I'll abstain from this poll

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by greenFox (Vicar) on Oct 21, 2002 at 08:48 UTC
    How about just "whenever I can" for the true fanatics here :-)

    Fortunately my job (Unix Sys Admin) gives me plenty of scope for coding perl during the day light hours. I do have a couple of projects I am working on intermittently at home, however I reserve 4am for sleeping thank-you very much!

    --
    Life is a tale told by an idiot -- full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. William Shakespeare, Macbeth

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by physgreg (Scribe) on Oct 21, 2002 at 10:03 UTC
    Despite being hired as a Perl programmer, I mainly write in TCL/TK :-(. Although I make sure that I make the most of any opportunity to write in Perl! So I had to vote "When I can" instead of "as my 'job'".
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by moxliukas (Curate) on Oct 21, 2002 at 10:18 UTC

    I am working as a webmaster and I am usually using PHP there, so Perl usually comes in my home time.

    Sometimes I think it is sad that Perl is replaced by PHP in the web environment (especially in small projects)

      Some of us feel that PHP equals sadness in all cases, but rest assured that when I become the Evil Overlord, the PHP'ers will get a chance to recant. :)
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Elgon (Curate) on Oct 21, 2002 at 10:46 UTC

    Home - to keep me occupied,

    <rant> I really need a job - I've been unemployed since I graduated in June and, although I start a good job in March next year, I'm going out of my mind! It's literally so bad that I applied for a job at the local supermarket stacking shelves - and got rejected because they're not interested in someone who'll only be there for a few months. I now have such a good knowledge of daytime television that I could probably give you each day's listings sans problems.</rant>

    IT skills shortage, heh!
    Need for science skills, heh!
    Any good jobseeker know that these things are not true.

    "What this book tells me is that goose-stepping morons, such as yourself, should read books instead of burning them."
           - Dr. Jones Snr, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by mce (Curate) on Oct 21, 2002 at 11:58 UTC
    Perl is my primary occupation at work, but I also consider it "fun". I am payed to develop in perl, but I have the time to fool around and make self education scripts.
    And because my company has a very fast network, and I have my own linux boxes, I just have the time of my life.

    ---------------------------
    Dr. Mark Ceulemans
    Senior Consultant
    IT Masters, Belgium
Obligatory option complaints
by tbone1 (Monsignor) on Oct 21, 2002 at 12:27 UTC
    What, no "all of the above"? And no "I can quit any time I want to quit!!!"?

    I've often wondered why cigarette smokers make a big deal out of nicotine. I quit YEARS ago, before I got out of college, but giving up Perl is like giving up oxygen.

    --
    tbone1
    Ain't enough 'O's in 'stoopid' to describe that guy.
    - Dave "the King" Wilson

      I am only able to write perl at right angles...

      once I tried to do so at about a 135 angle and it resulted in serious harm to 12 people standing within a half mile radius...

      let us never speak of that day again...


      work it harder make it better do it faster makes us stronger more than ever hour after our work is never over.
        Not wishing to dredge up painful memories, but I too had a bad experience with obtuse Perl until I discovered the most efficacious Protractor::90&deg; module.
        :)

      Pssst, buddy, wanna buy some Python?

        maybe, if you can throw in a Python2Perl.pl converter

        rudif

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by vector (Novice) on Oct 21, 2002 at 14:06 UTC
    I use perl at my home office, CGI with DBI is my main thrust right now.

    vector -- Perl is coding; Coding is Perl.

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Emanuel (Pilgrim) on Oct 21, 2002 at 14:56 UTC
    Well, I could almost tick most of the options given. I code in Perl alot at work for daily sysadmin stuff.

    • I code perl at home for fun to get somewhere with my IRC Bot.
    • I code perl at home seriously because work won't let me have alot of spare time.
    • I code perl at home, because I need a new job, as this one is stressing me out.
    • I code perl at 4am cuz the darn bot won't do as I want him to.
    • I code perl with a keyboard cuz there's no such thing as brain implants yet, that let me think in perl and get it written on the screen.

    Perl is all around me, and I'm too stubborn to start learning Java/C(PP)/C#/someotherlanguage. Maybe i'm not too stubborn, maybe I just lack the time and motivation to do so...


    .emanuel
Re: (nrd) I mainly write Perl at...
by newrisedesigns (Curate) on Oct 21, 2002 at 15:00 UTC

    A keyboard, of course.

    The smart-ass answers are always the best :)

    John J Reiser
    newrisedesigns.com

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Sisyphus (Hermit) on Oct 21, 2002 at 16:23 UTC

    Hard to tell, as I work at home, and so everything is mixed up. Although coding in Perl is not my primarily occupation, I do care to script in Perl when(ever) I can, but also launch MacPerl for fun and private use (along with AppleScript). So at first glance I couldn't decide which option to pick.

    Now, as it is true that I code at a keyword and at 4am I am sleeping, well I picked the keyword option.

    -- Ricardo
    use MacPerl;

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by UrsaloFF (Novice) on Oct 21, 2002 at 18:05 UTC
    Usually i write Perl at home as my job. At my job i write perl when I can (sometimes in secret) for fun and rest. Probably, i write little bit seriously at my home. Of course i write perl for me because it's my self-expression. Some time i looking for job. Please sombody tell me how write perl right angles and i'll do that :-)))). But in any case i write perl on my dirty keyboard, so i decided to choise this option.
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by gryphon (Abbot) on Oct 21, 2002 at 18:37 UTC

    Once I was on vacation at an island resort in the middle of nowhere. I wasn't even thinking about programming, but an idea for a chunk of code popped into my mind. I had to write it down for later testing, so I found a piece of light-colored driftwood and a twig with a burnt end (from a fire pit on the beach). I wrote code on the driftwood and carried it back to my room to later transcribe onto notebook paper. It wasn't until a couple weeks later that I actually put the code into a computer.

    gryphon
    code('Perl') || die;

      Over the last year I found myself coding in the strangest of places; I was travelling without a PC and relying on net cafes whenever I could find them.

      So one time, similar to yours, I had an ahah experience about an abstraction layer for a spidering application -- I fleshed it out in my travel log while spending several days in a dirt floor home in a tribal village in Flores, Indonesia.

      Another time I had to patch and release one of my modules while waiting out a rainstorm on the coast of Vietnam from an excruciatingly slow net drop in a local net cafe. I already had to wait to find this cafe, because most of the cafes in Vietnam filter out the ssh protocol, but for some reason this one allowed it.

      Hmm, this would make a good root node -- where's the strangest place you've ever coded?

      Matt

        Hmm, this would make a good root node
        Agreed!

        where's the strangest place you've ever coded?
        In the bathtub with one of those portable little white boards.
        I had to laugh (and ++) ... I too have pages from my travel journals filled with diagrams and pseudocode that have popped into my head in unlikely places ... while curled up inside my tent on a rainy Alaska evening or doing things like taking an overnight bus ride to Istanbul ... but your dirt floor tribal home in Flores and sluggish net cafe in Vietnam remind me how much of the world I have yet to see. :-)

                $perlmonks{seattlejohn} = 'John Clyman';

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Popcorn Dave (Abbot) on Oct 21, 2002 at 23:40 UTC
    The one time I wish I could have multiple choices!

    I use Perl at work "as my job" ( on occasion ), work - when I can, work - in secret ( or at lunch time ), home for fun, and the occasional 4am unless my wife tells me to come to bed. : )

    Biggest problem I have is not getting interrupted when I'm either coding or on PM.

    There is no emoticon for what I'm feeling now.

Re: I mainly write Perl at right angles
by theorbtwo (Prior) on Oct 22, 2002 at 04:02 UTC

    Let us not forget the teachings of http://www.wall.org/~larry/: "Perl isn't an orthogonal language; it's a diagonal language. By which we mean that Perl doesn't force you to always go at right angles." (Camel, sect 1.5 -- I found this via google (where it shouldn't be, so no link) not by inspection, so I'm not sure which ed.)


    Warning: Unless otherwise stated, code is untested. Do not use without understanding. Code is posted in the hopes it is useful, but without warranty. All copyrights are relinquished into the public domain unless otherwise stated. I am not an angel. I am capable of error, and err on a fairly regular basis. If I made a mistake, please let me know (such as by replying to this node).

      Maybe I just missed that discussion, but why exactly is caching on Google bad? If it retains copyright info whats the problem?

        My point wasn't that google caches it. My point was that the link is to a copyrighted work of Larry Wall et al, via O'Rielly (who quite likely actualy owns the copyright, but I'm too tired and drunk to check), which they have expressedly not given permission to distribte. My complaint isn't at Google, who is just doing their level best to provide relevant search results and related services (which they do very well), but at the people who put a copy of Programing Perl on a publicly-accessable web-site, in voilation of it's copyright. (I suspect the people in question bought a site license for the CD bookshelf or O'Rielly Safari, but I'm quite certianly not at their site.)


        Warning: Unless otherwise stated, code is untested. Do not use without understanding. Code is posted in the hopes it is useful, but without warranty. All copyrights are relinquished into the public domain unless otherwise stated. I am not an angel. I am capable of error, and err on a fairly regular basis. If I made a mistake, please let me know (such as by replying to this node).

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by strat (Canon) on Oct 22, 2002 at 12:02 UTC
    I am missing the point: "at work (as my job) and at home for fun. So I voted for "at work (as my job)".

    At home, I try lots of stuff because I want to find out how something works. If I know how it works, it doesn't interest me any more, and so I've got many pieces of code at home which are about half-finished...

    Best regards,
    perl -e "s>>*F>e=>y)\*martinF)stronat)=>print,print v8.8.8.32.11.32"

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by barbie (Deacon) on Oct 22, 2002 at 12:31 UTC
    While I mainly write Perl at work for my job, apart from the "school" nomination I do all of them. In fact the addition to the list could also be "On public transport".

    I regularly get funny looks and comments while riding on the 63 bus route to and from Birmingham city centre. Seeing as I live over 10 miles out, I usually have plenty of time to do stuff. The funniest comment I've had so far was from a young girl (well twenty-something, which is young for me), who'd seen me a couple of times, and asked all excited, whether I was a novelist writing my next best seller. She was very disappointed when I said 'no I'm a Perl programmer'. If I'd have been single I'd have said 'yes' of course :)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Barbie
    Birmingham Perl Mongers
    Web Site: http://birmingham.pm.org/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by feloniousMonk (Pilgrim) on Oct 22, 2002 at 13:39 UTC
    Wow, this poll can really use multi-selection check boxes.

    I write code at work, when I can, even though this means about 90% of the time. It's rare that I need to delve into C++, Java and even HTML but sometimes I definitely do.

    -felonious--

        Wow, this poll can really use multi-selection check boxes.

      You mainly write Perl at more than one place?

        Oh yeah, :-) I forgot my mantra, "Do not post before finishing caffeinated beverage"

        -felonious--
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Jonathan (Curate) on Oct 22, 2002 at 15:59 UTC
    Luckily I code Perl all day at work (getting paid for it :-). I'm the only serious Perl body here (big fish, small pond) and I write the programs that the Java people are scared of.
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by Jouke (Curate) on Oct 22, 2002 at 16:31 UTC
    Work, home, whatever. I code Perl whenever I can. At home I work on projects like pType 1.0c and pVoice, for my work I'm a contracting Perl Programmer....and I have hobbies too :)

    Jouke Visser, Perl 'Adept'
    Using Perl to help the disabled: pVoice and pStory
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by jjdraco (Scribe) on Oct 23, 2002 at 03:31 UTC
    I write perl at home for fun(at 4am), because I'd like a job that I can write perl for work, and it would still be for fun.

    Does that make sences?

    jjdraco
    learning Perl one statement at a time.
      learning Perl one statement at a time
      That'll take a while. Not as long as Java, though.
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by vek (Prior) on Oct 28, 2002 at 01:21 UTC
    Blimey, I'm a little late in posting a comment...

    Anyhoo, I mainly write Perl at work as my "job" although I have been known to have a dream and solve a particular programming problem in my sleep - and that's always a bonus :-)

    -- vek --
      I have also solved a coding problem in my dreams. I wonder if it is common, or should I consult a shrink. Yet another subject for a node.

      Johan
        Funny thing is that a co-worker mentioned to me yesterday that he solved a problem in his sleep the previous night. So, it may be more common than you think :-)

        -- vek --
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by orkysoft (Friar) on Nov 03, 2002 at 23:30 UTC

    "You kiddin'? I was a star! I could write Perl at any angle. Thirty degrees, thirty-two degrees, you name it. Thirty-one... But I couldn't go on coding once I found out what the programs were for."

    Lrrr: "But if this cape shrinks, consider your species extinct!"

Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by buzzcutbuddha (Chaplain) on Nov 04, 2002 at 00:49 UTC
    I picked "At home for fun" because you didn't have the choice I wanted "seriously, I need to get a job that lets me write Perl"...
Re: I mainly write Perl at...
by jweed (Chaplain) on Nov 01, 2003 at 01:10 UTC
    At home, for fun. Right now, though, I am feeling decidedly right angled.

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