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Re: Re: Lost in the Translation

by gawatkins (Monsignor)
on Apr 30, 2003 at 17:56 UTC ( #254408=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Lost in the Translation
in thread Lost in the Translation

In Particular, you have to explain everything in terms dollars and cents (or your local from of currency). Management only seem to unsderstand what shows up on their budget

Thanks,


Greg


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Re: Re: Re: Lost in the Translation
by petesmiley (Friar) on Apr 30, 2003 at 19:15 UTC
    To go a step further. There are probably no terms he really cares about. Like many he is probably just a monkey trying to keep the machine happy by meeting the deadlines other people have pushed on him. Hmm, now that's a bit cynical, but then again I live in the movie "Office Space".

    smiles

Re: Lost in the Translation
by Abigail-II (Bishop) on Apr 30, 2003 at 22:27 UTC
    You seem to have a dim view of management. Granted, there are a lot of bad managers out there. But there are also a lot of techies out there who are very hard to manage, because they can't see the bigger picture, and have limited, naive thoughts about any non tech issue.

    Abigail

      I will have to agree with you on that-but I still have hope. Fortunately I have had some very good managers, but unfortunately, those good managers make the mediocre ones seem really bad.

      Thanks

      Greg

Re: Re: Re: Lost in the Translation
by petesmiley (Friar) on May 01, 2003 at 19:42 UTC
    Actually, it's a dim view of humans, not managers. I don't believe I singled out managers at all in my post. I find that most people don't care to learn anything unless you put a gun to their head. Especially learning how to talk or understand one another. (I'm no expert at this art.)

    I find that most managers shouldn't be....
    Tech people sometimes strike me the same way, but at least their job isn't to manage other people's jobs.

    Of late, the problem I've seen is not the tech's lack of awareness of things outside the tech world or the overall picture. Actually, they always strike me as quite powerless and frustrated. It's that the managers over them don't care about any problem but their own deadline/goal/objective/whatever (strikes me as a big corporation problem). What good is a deadline if it guarantees failure?

    Granted, I currently speak as an observer, but I have had my share of good and mostly bad managers. I haven't had much in the way of managers or deadlines over the last 2 years, yet my clients have enjoyed the benefits of my work.

    smiles

    PS. A warning to Mr. Muskrat: Be careful what you do and don't put into writing and make sure and never document promises you cannot fulfill. ie. don't be a day late on something you promised in writing for tomorrow.

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