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Re^4: discouraging flamebating

by been42 (Curate)
on Oct 25, 2004 at 04:56 UTC ( #402150=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^3: discouraging flamebating
in thread discouraging vindictiveness

I don't think he's a troll. I think he just walked into unfamiliar territory, butted heads with a very respected and influential member of that community, and the community reacted in a very predictable manner. He showed his ass, and the monastery kicked it. (As a personal aside, if I were going to get into a semantic flamewar with someone here, I would be careful not to pick Tilly. Tough luck, pal.) Now apotheon is upset and he wants to change the rules.

This happens quite often here. Someone, after spending a few weeks or a month here, wants to make major changes to the Monastery to protect us from our small-minded selves. These changes are usually related to XP, and I'd almost be willing to bet my tiny paycheck that they usually follow some downvoting. The real problem isn't that it's broken. It's that it's not working for you right this minute. There are two possible fixes for this situation: either stop butting heads, or live up to those claims of not caring about XP.

The voting system generally reflects the thoughts of the community. That's exactly what it's there for. Not to make us feel good, or to rain fire on our enemies, but to give us an inaccurate picture of what the majority of people (who logged in around the time we posted) thought about what we said. And XP is nothing but an inaccurate picture of how much activity we have performed (while logged in here). As you do more stuff here, you get the power to do even more stuff here. That's it. Either I like the post, or I don't. I don't need an excuse to downvote someone any more than I need to justify honking at someone in traffic. I know that people really do care about XP, and I don't see anything wrong with that, so if I don't like a post I'll usually just not vote at all.

So just keep posting wherever you feel like you can contribute, apotheon. If people like it, they'll vote it up. If you get downvoted for something you believe is right, then just don't worry too much about it, man. It could mean that you showed people truths too harsh to bear, or it could mean that you just pissed someone off. Which seems to be a truth too harsh to bear.

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Re^5: discouraging flamebating
by apotheon (Deacon) on Oct 25, 2004 at 05:52 UTC
    You might be right on the average, but in my case you're slightly off-target. I don't make suggestions to protect myself. I only see what amounts to a barely useful voting system and consider ways to make it more useful. Granted, I define "useful" in a manner that reflects my desires in the abstract, but I hardly think that encouraging responsible action and discouraging spite is a poor choice for how to order one's desires. In the end, any voting system is chosen to represent someone's desires, in some manner, even if it's simply a desire for minimal administrative overhead.

    Thanks for the sympathetic suggestions. I do appreciate the sentiment. It's ultimately unnecessary, for the most part, however. I'm more amused by the social dynamic here than dismayed by it. If this dismayed me significantly, I'd have been horrified, revulsed, and turned off of most of the Internet a long time ago. I choose instead to have a healthy sense of the absurd keep me amused, and to offer grist for thought where I may. At least heaps of negative votes indicate that I'm being noticed, which means someone out there is likely being inspired to think, whether he or she thinks similar thoughts to my own or not.

    As things currently stand, I don't care much about XP. That could change, depending on how the XP system works out in the future. Chances are good I still won't care much, unless some changes are made. That's not to say such changes must be made, of course. It's really not up to me. I'm just throwing ideas out there for people to chew on.

    - apotheon
    CopyWrite Chad Perrin

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