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Re: What's wrong with PREFIX, you ungrateful fucks.

by Corion (Pope)
on May 19, 2005 at 17:01 UTC ( #458692=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to What's wrong with PREFIX, you ungrateful fucks.
in thread Module::Build users -- please use the "traditional" create_makefile_pl option

I just realized what has been irking me about this attitude. Why should I be grateful for something I did not want or request? I want a working module installation kit. I have one that works. I point out flaws and incompatibilities with a second kit, that somebody created. Am I ungrateful because of this?

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Re^2: What's wrong with PREFIX, you ungrateful fucks.
by Aristotle (Chancellor) on Aug 24, 2006 at 23:01 UTC

    This response has always bugged me. I’ve read this thread at least three times (once when it was posted and then several more times when it was linked from discussions elsewhere), but I could never quite put my finger on why.

    It just dawned on me.

    Yes, you are ungrateful – not directly, but you are. The reason is that schwern is the maintainer of the install kit that you say is working for you. And for him, it’s incredibly painful to maintain. So he says “I can’t do this forever, it needs to stop,” and starts a new effort, which is expectably immature, while he continues to maintain the old one. And you just say “well the old one works for me (and who cares about your pain) and the new one doesn’t (and who cares about your pain).”

    Given the position he’s left in, as far as I’m concerned, you should be glad he didn’t say “screw you guys, I’m going home” long ago and left the “working” EU::MM lying in the sun to rot. Instead it continues to get bugfixes. That’s not worthy of gratitude?

    To give a nod to the original topic of the thread: I always do use create_makefile_pl => 'traditional', because I’m not going to force an immature module on my users. But I do believe M::B is the only sensible option in the long term, so I have switched – as a bonus, I get a bunch of nice author-oriented features. Come the day that it’s considered mature, I will drop the Makefile.PL generation. In the meantime, M::B::Compat lets me have my cake and lets my users eat it too.

    Myself, I am very thankful that others are doing the boring and painfully tedious job of getting the plumbing right, both the legacy stuff and the modern stuff, and I’ll do whatever I can to promote the modern stuff without making users suffer for it.

    Makeshifts last the longest.

Re^2: What's wrong with PREFIX, you ungrateful fucks.
by Anonymous Monk on May 20, 2005 at 12:22 UTC
    No, but you've comitted the sin of confusing schwern you ungrateful

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