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Re^3: Better keyboard-driven navigation, any?

by Erez (Priest)
on Jul 22, 2008 at 18:17 UTC ( [id://699375]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: Better keyboard-driven navigation, any?
in thread Better keyboard-driven navigation, any?

Most of those reasons are common misconceptions. Try this article and those linked from it Mouse vs. Keyboard

Stop saying 'script'. Stop saying 'line-noise'.
We have nothing to lose but our metaphors.

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Re^4: Better keyboard-driven navigation, any?
by blazar (Canon) on Jul 22, 2008 at 22:41 UTC

    I personally believe that it's interesting: if nothing else I was expecting something very Windows-centric and instead it has to with nothing less then Plan 9... Wow! But then do not misunderstand me: I'll repeat that I'm not that much mouse-o-phobic! At the same time I'll have to reiterate the claim I made on me which is based on observational evidence: for some (many) tasks I'm definitely much more efficient and at ease with the keyboard than with the mouse. Amongst these, using (say) GR. Even more so in the initially described situation: in bed with the Eee.

    Let me stress: I can happily live with the current "setup" using a mixture of keyboard navigation and mousepad tracking, but I'm sure I would have much better an experience if I could, say, press "n" to pass to the next article, "+" to vote ++, "-" to vote --, "p" to review the previous article because upon reading the following one I realized I had misunderstood part of it, and then "a" to check its parent, to be really sure, and so on...

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      Just to explain where I'm coming from, there's a saying among mathematicians (or so I've been told, not being one), that when you can't find a solution to a problem, you need to change the problem. I am trying to suggest you might want to try looking at your issue from a different direction and maybe reap some success there. Exchanging keyboard for mouse is a good way of stepping out and looking over the issue from a different angle, so it might shed some interesting light on some points you are trying to address.

      Stop saying 'script'. Stop saying 'line-noise'.
      We have nothing to lose but our metaphors.

        I personally believe that for once I have to disagree with you harshly. Or else, I'm failing to see your point completely, which is perfectly possible. Perhaps I should repeat once again what I've written several times all over this thread, and one last time just a few seconds ago: I'm a guy who happily -and I think, by all means, efficiently- uses both the keyboard and the mouse, with a strong preference for the former. These habits include many task and in particular but not exclusively navigating some sites, and are perfectly tailored on me.

        Now I know by relatively recent experience with some sites that should PM offer some more keyboard driven navigation facilities, then my experience of it would even be better than it is now: even more so in the particular situation described in the root node.

        In particular I'm not asking of, say, phasing out mouse driven navigation in favour of keyboard driven one: I'm just meditating about the possibility of making the latter more efficient and pleasant for the sake of giving more alternatives to enjoy the site: please compare the hypothetical sequence of keystrokes described in Re^4: Better keyboard-driven navigation, any? with the corresponding flow of actions performed with the mouse. I would have, e.g. reading a thread:

        1. keyboard: (read) + press n, (read) + press n, (read) - press p then a (read) press n, (a few times) press+;
        2. mouse:(read) accurately locate the ++ button and click on it, scroll down, (read) scroll up a little bit because the post is particularly long, then accurately locate the ++ button and click on it, scroll down (read) accurately locate the -- button and click on it, scroll up quite a little bit to find the parent, (read) scroll down again to find the child node, accurately locate the ++ button and click on it.

        Now, imagine all this done not with a keyboard laying on a surface, but with a device held with your hands while lying in bed in ever changing and possibly awkward positions (that's it!) and not a real mouse, but a mousepad instead, with which the "accurately" bit becomes all more complex. Oh, and using a real mouse (or trackball or...) wouldn't help either, since it would be even more difficult to have to hold the device with one hand, and move the other one to an external device, back and forth all the time...

        HTH!

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