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Re^6: Native newline encoding

by sauoq (Abbot)
on May 23, 2012 at 21:38 UTC ( #972107=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^5: Native newline encoding
in thread Native newline encoding

Without getting all epistemological, are you claiming it isn't?

-sauoq
"My two cents aren't worth a dime.";


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Re^7: Native newline encoding
by BrowserUk (Pope) on May 28, 2012 at 11:44 UTC
    Without getting all epistemological, are you claiming it isn't?

    Yes. "Extensible Markup Language (XML) is a simple, very flexible text format ..."


    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

    The start of some sanity?

      Yes.

      Well, that is simply incorrect. It's not incorrect to say it is a text format, of course. It's just incorrect to say that it isn't binary. Textual data is binary even if not all binary data is textual. I imagine you know this, but on computers,† even text is represented with two values.‡

      The only time drawing a distinction between text and binary data actually matters is when when working on a platform that was designed with the questionable choice to arbitrarily support two different sets of semantics.

      What you should learn from all the "unicrap" stuff is that text was just never a very meaningful term to begin with. It's only precise use is as an instruction to handle the data in a platform specific manner.

      Furthermore, on those platforms where it is meaningful, it's a relic from an era when the only data presented for human consumption was textual. Nowadays, that's just not the case; and the appropriate question is simply: "what format?" Is it an old word document? A spreadsheet? ASCII? ASCII with CRLF line endings? UTF-8? JPG data? Etc.

      † Almost all computers in use today, that is.

      ‡ Hence, even the term 'binary data' is generally redundant.

      -sauoq
      "My two cents aren't worth a dime.";
        Blah ...

        Now who's "getting all epistemological".

        What you should learn ...

        What you need to learn is that your platform-bias bullshit is naught but the meaningless dogma of last resort.

        If there were no platform differences, the subject of this entire thread wouldn't exist, but it does. And you can neither wish it away nor bullshit your way around it.


        With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

        The start of some sanity?

      Note that the passage you quoted does not appear anywhere in the spec.

      XML has aspects of a binary format. Specifically, the encoding can't be changed. That's why it must be passed to a parser undecoded and why it has the MIME type of a binary format (application/).

      It also has aspects of a text format. Specifically, the ability to be read and edited by humans with nothing but basic tools.

      Considering neither "text format" nor "binary format" are actually defined, it's silly to debate without first putting out definitions.

        Note that the passage you quoted does not appear anywhere in the spec.

        Que? If you follow the link behind the quoted passage, the very first line of the very first paragraph is word for word what I quoted.

        it's silly to debate

        Then let's not huh.

        This pointless discussion has gone far enough already due to a rabid dog with a bruised ego. There's no point in your adding to the fray further is there.


        With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

        The start of some sanity?

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