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Re^10: 20 most important Perl Best Practices

by pemungkah (Priest)
on Sep 02, 2012 at 08:04 UTC ( #991244=note: print w/ replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^9: 20 most important Perl Best Practices
in thread 20 most important Perl Best Practices

I will say one final thing on this, because I don't seem to be getting my point across.

I do not think you are a bad person. I have tried to not say that. If I have, I apologize.

I have said I thought the attitude, assumptions, and behavior in the posts about this subject were not right.

I do not equivalence your having said something I thought was insensitive with your being a bad person.

I do believe that there is nothing wrong with saying "We can do better". I did not say "you can do better", or that "you did a bad thing", or "you are a bad person". Most of the other folks who have come in to post have been saying, "dude, did you really want to defend a sexist cartoon as a good thing?". None of us are saying "you must be horrible", but "that was not a good thing to do" in the hope you might see that we're saying "you should consider that women may read this and that it's not polite to say that."

You are not bad. Possibly you have a harder time than most in imagining what someone else would feel.

Error messages are not trying to tell you that you are a bad programmer, but that you made a mistake.

"We can do better" is an error message. The other posts are an attempt to communicate what the error is, since your followups all seem to be saying "there is no error here".


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Re^11: 20 most important Perl Best Practices
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Sep 02, 2012 at 10:01 UTC
    Most of the other folks who have come in to post have been saying, "dude, did you really want to defend a sexist cartoon as a good thing?".

    But -- and this is the point that both you and they are missing completely -- the cartoon is not sexist!

    The cartoon is highlighting and decrying casual sexism.

    One of the characters in the cartoon makes a sexist remark, and the other character puts him down for it!

    And if you cannot see the difference, you should consider taking some classes. Especially before you go around starting storms in teacups like this one.


    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

    RIP Neil Armstrong

      the cartoon is not sexist! The cartoon is highlighting and decrying casual sexism.
      If the cartoon was presented in a discussion about sexism and presented in a way that it says "look, that's how sexist people think", then it might be perfectly ok and maybe even funny for everyone. Well, except for the sexists! ;-)
      But I'm not sure if everybody really read it like that. I didn't. But probably also not the sexists. They just enjoyed the boob job mentioning.
      You had to explain the intention of the comic.
      It was mentioned before it's all about context.
      I know that some people are sexist and I would prefer not to be reminded of that in this way in a technical discussion, especially if it's not sure that the intended message gets across.
        You had to explain the intention of the comic.

        Nobody explained it to me. I can only view the world through my own eyes.

        If I (and the same applies to everyone else), tried to second guess how the world might misread everything ...

        I hope you see where that goes.

        There are people in this world who consider any reference to events (or anything) prior to around 9,000, or 11,000, or 20,000 years ago (even they cannot agree the time frame) as blasphemy.

        Archaeologists, scientists, teachers and little kids playing with their toy dinosaurs cannot possibly go though life considering the sensibilities of that quite large and quite vocal and worryingly politically active minority.

        Sexism is in a different league to that; but still the point carries. I did not, and do not see anything wrong with the cartoon. I did not antisipate *any* backlash from (re-)posting a link to it. Nor do I think there should have been any.


        With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

        RIP Neil Armstrong

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