I just found out, that the Perl community is a bunch of lethargic old-farts who deserve no better than "their language" to persish. ... Hmm. No that would not make a good motivational entry. I will have to reformulate this in a more euphemistic fashion while keeping the meaning untouched. #### Welcome to the world of the real ;-) unfortunately I've had that opinion for a while, and it's very hard to get anyone to do anything seriously positive, in part because of all the brown-nosing in the [despite anonymous quote this has to be censored]... People like Gabor (and you) still try to make a difference, but it's like pushing water uphill.