note sundialsvc4 <p> I&rsquo;ve never had any problems wrapping my head around the concept of <tt>until</tt>. &nbsp; And, I never particularly agreed with the language-purists who decried, say, the <tt>repeat .. until</tt> statement in Pascal. &nbsp; As long as you clearly understand how a particular language implements the concept, it&rsquo;s a perfectly sensible idea that we use all the time: &nbsp; &ldquo;get on the freeway and then keep driving until you get there.&rdquo; &nbsp; &ldquo;Jump rope until you get tired of jumping.&rdquo; &nbsp; A programming language should easily support this very common notion. &nbsp; The people who correctly point out that it is can be equivalently expressed in terms of <tt>while</tt> are stating a theoretically-correct point, but not a pragmatic one. &nbsp; A language is a <em>tool,</em> built for <em>me</em> to get a <em>($$)job($$)</em> done. &nbsp; I don&rsquo;t have to turn my thinking upside-down ... that&rsquo;s what compilers are for. &nbsp; It can &ldquo;figure it out&rdquo; well enough either way; therefore, it should. </p> 1018143 1018143