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<node id="168988" title="Node Tension" created="2002-05-24 02:59:08" updated="2005-08-11 15:01:00">
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mojotoad</author>
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Recently, buried in [Front Page with Negative Rep..] we had a [id://167249|discussion] regarding the concept of a &lt;em&gt;Node Tension&lt;/em&gt; value display for any particular node.
&lt;p&gt;
The basic idea would be to illustrate the relative contention over a node rather than the tally of plus and minus votes. This would be a measure of how controversial the node is rather than any absolute measure of its generated approbration or opprobrium. This value would be visible before actually voting on the node.
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&lt;p&gt;
I provided the following illustration:
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;table border=1 cellspacing=0&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th&gt;++&lt;/th&gt;&lt;th&gt;--&lt;/th&gt;&lt;th&gt; Total vote &lt;/th&gt;&lt;th&gt; tension &lt;/th&gt;&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;100&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;95&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;low&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;10&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;low&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;100&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;-95&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;low&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;low&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;100&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;100&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;high&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;20&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;20&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;medium&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;50&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;20&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;30&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;medium-high&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
In response, [giulienk] provided an interesting [id://167443|attempt] at an empirical formulation of the idea. I played with it, but it was not quite satisfactory, especially since it seemed coarse-grained at lower magnitudes.
&lt;p&gt;
The core issue is capturing the magnitude of opposing votes. 100 positive votes and 0 negative represents no contention. 5 positive and 5 negative represents &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt;, but not huge contention. So I employed Occam's Razor on the formulation and decided:
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;All non-opposed votes have no effect.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The remaining delta serves as an effective indicator of tension&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Further qualification (low, med, high, etc) might be unnecessary&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Formula: &lt;code&gt; $t = min($plus, $minus) * 2&lt;/code&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Recasting the original example, this would yield:
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&lt;table border=1 cellspacing=0&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;th&gt;++&lt;/th&gt;&lt;th&gt;--&lt;/th&gt;&lt;th&gt; Total vote &lt;/th&gt;&lt;th&gt; tension &lt;/th&gt;&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;100&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;95&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;10&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;10&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;10&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;100&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;-95&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;10&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;10&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;100&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;100&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;200&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;20&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;20&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;40&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;50&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;20&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;30&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;40&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
This accurately captures the magnitude of contention without revealing, beyond bare necessity, the actual votes cast.
&lt;p&gt;
Questions:
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Is this something other monks would like to see on pre-voted nodes, perhaps as an option? What about while &lt;em&gt;considering&lt;/em&gt; a node?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;If interested, what better ideas (if any) can we come up with for representing tension?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;
Thank you for your time,&lt;br&gt;
Matt

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